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Hamzah B. Riyal
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the limits of poverty in jordan
December 3, 2004 - 03:23 AM
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The government seems to give the issue of poverty in Jordan, its highest priority. I wish our government would not give poverty its highest priority for a change, because every Jordanian government had given poverty its priority, even the current government before the re-shuffle had said the same, and after the re--shuffle the discourse remains unchanged. The fact that poverty remains the top of our government's agenda means simply that, nothing has been done about alleviating it. So, perhaps if officialdom can kindly stop talking about wanting to do something about poverty, even stops doing something about it, then the Jordanian people might have the chance of something being done about poverty.
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anti poverty actions
December 3, 2004 - 03:38 AM
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Interesting your post on poverty...my question is what kind of actions you see should beeing done to eradicate poverty in your country and how ? what contribution you could play in that ?
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
December 3, 2004 - 06:30 AM
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As for what can be done as far as I am concerned, is nothing really because simply the government economic policy does not offer any room for the discussion of alternatives.
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 21, 2005 - 07:55 AM
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Doyen, i strongly belive that you can not eradicate poverty.Current research has shown that Americans are not free from this danger.This made to ask questions on the workability of Milleniun Development Goals since America expected to release 0.7% of her GNI needs help.I think we should be looking at Alleviation by empowering teaming population of the working group.Equally, in the developing countries i would subscribe to strenghtening the relevant organs.
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the limits of poverty in jordan
September 22, 2005 - 12:26 PM
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last researchs results was that the limit-line of poverty in jordan is jd 700 , i mean if you are an employee and you have a sallary and it is jd 700 you r poor happy you! ,this was 5 years ago what do you think it is know?....so if the goverment want to prevent poverty in jordan from where shall her begin?....someone answer this coz i dont want to say more!! ........
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 22, 2005 - 12:50 PM
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interesting ,poverty problems are increasing in Jordan specially that our dear government is making the prices of everything so high specially the oil prices so may GOD help the people here bcoz they make the prices higher and higher but with no increasing in the salaries .
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CAN WE REALLY ERADICATE POVERTY????
September 26, 2005 - 02:18 AM
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hi
fred,i quite agree with you,we may not be able to eradicate poverty just like we can not totally eradicate conflict.but it can be reduced.
this are my submissions.
can we really eradicate poverty.
for me when we talk about poverty two things/questions come into play
1) is it poverty of the mind OR
2) poverty of the stomach that we wish to address.
which exactly do we mean.which is more important.
can everyone live above poverty.
i think poverty adds balance to the society just like when people die,people are born.
what we should think of is reducing poverty to a certain level.
or does anyone have a differrent school of thought?
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 26, 2005 - 02:23 AM
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trying to eradicate poverty is like trying to erradicate disease - it is a matter of dealing with it - a daily constant struggle - but I do not think there is a "solution"
Just many smaller solutions to particular cases - and some larger guidelines which a government can put in place.
Economic development to decrease unemployment, and then unionization, labor organization etc for wage protection are the major issues.
Unfortunately the ability for an economy to develop, and higher wages - are often times forces in conflict which must be balanced.
China has the fastest growing economy in the world right now - but this is in part because there is not wage protection or labor rights.
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 26, 2005 - 03:26 AM
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I agree luke, demolitioning poverty is like landing humans on mars, it is not going to happen any time soon. Poverty in Jordan is a big problem, I believe one of the reason it is growing, is because of the governments police towards this problem. The rich are becoming richer and poor are becoming poorer, there is no middle class any more, and most of them are going down.
The poverty in Jordan is mostly poverty of the stomach, lots of people struggle to live, and get food. I used to work with a guy that had to choice between buying food for his wife, and buy it for his parents. And lots of stories like this. But you would also find people that feel poverty in mind, because they always look at others, what others have and they don't.
Unlike China Jordan has a minimum wage policy, but with a family of 3 or more what good is minimum wage, that is why people start steeling from their employers.
Luke, when you hear that a worker in a Nike Factory in China gets paid under $100 dollars a year, you feel sorry for them, but those people consider them self blessed and lucky to have this opportunity.
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 26, 2005 - 06:04 AM
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"Luke, when you hear that a worker in a Nike Factory in China gets paid under $100 dollars a year, you feel sorry for them, but those people consider them self blessed and lucky to have this opportunity." - amjadz
I know - pretty depressing isn't it.
sure not everyone needs the same wage because the cost of living is different in different places - I have artists in Brazil who get paid 1/3 of what my artists in the US get - and they are perfectly happy - for them it is alot of money.
But especially some places in central Asia the wages are just highway robbery.
It was the same in the US during the Industrial Revolution around the turn of the century - sweat shops, brtual bosses - no real labor protection etc.
So Jordan has a minnimum wage - as does the US - I imagine in neither case is it enough to really raise a family on.
Health care is another big issue -
Amjadz - what is the unemployment rate in Jordan? also what kind of protections are there for working hours and working conditions.
When we are taking about China it is not simply that they get $100 a year - but that they are 12 years old working 80 hour weeks.
"that is why people start steeling from their employers." - Adjadz
Unfortunately this is not simply solved by paying more - I know a man recently in the states paying his secretary $60,000 a year - she got ahold of his checkbook and started forging his signature - gave herself an extra $75,000 - you always have to watch your employees because dishonesty is not always just motivated by poverty.
"demolitioning poverty is like landing humans on mars, it is not going to happen any time soon." - Amjadz
the sad truth my friend is that we will probably land people on Mars before we erradicate poverty.
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 26, 2005 - 07:40 AM
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Poverty in Jordan is actually going down from 21.3% in 1997, to 14.2% in 2002, and 12.5% end of 2004. That is a good sign. But if you ask people if they like there jobs or not, most of the people are looking for a new job almost constantly. I will also have to agree with you that some people are sick and willing to steal what ever is available, I know a guy like that at my work. When it comes to health Insurance it is not as popular as over here, people tend to pray that they will not catch dieses, rather than have insurance. mostly because they can’t afford another monthly payment. But I would like to give credit to those people for not using credit. they say in the states, the fastest way to become a millionaire is to use OPM (other people’s money), whether it was loans, or credit. We do not face this problem in Jordan, people don’t buy more than they can, they control themselves, know their limit.
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 26, 2005 - 08:32 AM
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real quick - two points - the poverty rate is Jordan is decreasing I am sure for a number of reasons - but I am sure that the relationship with the US is among them.
as for OPM making you a millionaire - I don't even have a credit card myself - but really when they are talking about using OPM they are not talking about Loans or Credit - you would have to be an idiot to do it that way -
they are talking about investment - I work in entertainment, it is a VERY risky bussiness, if you use your own money you are likely to lose your shirt -
but that does not mean I go to a bank and get a private loan when I want to fund a film - that is just flat dangerous - because then it is still my money isn't it? The Bank is only going to laon my money if I put up my assets as collateral so if lose money they'll take my house -
Other People's Money is like... there is a project I am producing now where I own the character - guy wants to put 50 mill $ into a movie -
he is not using his own money either - he runs a hedge fund, collecting investors into a big pool of money from which he makes a bunch of movies every year - now lets say 8 of 10 lose a bit of money - but he has 2 major successes - his fund will make money.
it sounds crazy but it works, if you invest in only 1 film chances are you will lose your money - if you invest in 10 you will probably make money - just a matter of playing the odds because when they hit they hit big.
That is how the Studios work basically - they have numerous flops every year - and they have been around forever.
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Re: the limits of poverty in jordan
September 27, 2005 - 01:37 AM
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Luke here in Jordan there are rights for the employees but unfortuanetly because of the poverty and the real need for most of ppl to work they end up not getting most of their rights example :a man working in a factory for alot of hours more than he should or being paid for and not having his holidays (you have the right for having 14 days off and being paid in them)so if he went and claimed for his rights this is the answer he'll get wether you work without complaining or you'll lose your job and there are hundreds who wish to have a job like yours (which is true) so he ends up nothaving his rights(holidays ,salary...etc)
and not being able to ask for them (bcoz he'll be kicked) soo this means that he's loosing in both sides
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Poverty-A compex Question
October 4, 2005 - 04:10 AM
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Indeed , if a worker with NIKE in China will go home with less than 100 Dollars then one will imagine the battle in rest of the developing world.Frankly, reading the experience of some workers in my country who occassionally go for months with salary and having to contend with children.
Please , i have had cause to immagine how they are able to manage for those number of months or are they some hidden business they undertake in the company.We are still discussing poverty with much hope on the MDG and a company like NIKE pays less than 100 Dollars.
It is not surprising that some India companies lock workers inside the factory once the resume work
So the poverty discuss borders on a number of things as Yuddie posits.
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