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Ray Ovac
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The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 01:30 AM
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President Bush will remain in office for the next 4 years. Discuss how the Bush doctrine will impact the spread of Democracy in the Middle East, the continued war on terrorism, and the reduction in manufacture of nuclear, biological, and radiological weapons.
Also, how will organizations like the UN and European allies frame foreign policy?
Time to move the discussion forward!
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 01:07 AM
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Two words Answer!
It will have a "Negative impact"!
Its not coming out emotions , but deep thinkings. I am still fighting with myself to imagine the impact of what we woke up to today .
I will get back here hopefully soon!
One question for you guys!
What message did the re-election of Bush send to the world?
Be realistic in answering it , don't ever think what Bush says "Oh , absolutly , the world just loves us" I am taking "us" as the Bush team not the American Peopel . And I think he is dam wrong saying it!
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 01:31 AM
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simply put Bush will plunge us further into debt over the next 4 years by making the high end tax cuts permanat - my taxes will go through the roof in 10 years.
He will be predictable and easily baited by guys like Bin Laden.
He will acheive zero practical diplomacy and further ailinaite us from the world - he will do nothing to find political solutions in the middle-east and will instead reflex toward military ones.
basically he will ideologically drive us toward WW3 by seperating the world into "us" and "them" good guys and terrorists.
As he has divided this country so will he continue to divide the world.
He is going to lose brilliant men like Colon Powell who he never listened to in the first place and instead some like Rice will be in charge of diplomacy - which will be a disaster.
Through his rash actions he will endanger the lives of my family in New York - a prime target for terrorism.
It is easy for people in places like Texas and Idaho to advocate invading the middle east - their hometown is not a target.
We are not going to move forward on energy technology and instead will be outpaced by countries like Japan and Korea.
We are not going to move forward on stem cell research and will be outpaced in this area as well.
We will succeed in being a religious and ideological country - and fail at developing the advanced technologies which have made us a superpower to begin with - the ones which keep us a step ahead.
to state it bluntly - instead of moving forward into the 21st century - we will be adopting a 19th century "faith based" ideology.
obviously the democrates are going to have to find a more mainstream stance on social issues - and find a way to tell the left wing to shut the f--k up.
but none of that may matter - because if the next 4 years are anything like the last 4 - I may well live in Vancoover by 2008.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 01:32 AM
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Haseeb,
I think that Pres. Bush will see it as an endoresment of his campaign on terror and an approval of his handling of the economy and morality issues. He will see it as, look, everyone else believes we should not have gay marriage. Everyone else believes that we should not give women the right to choose. Oh, and look at that..I can take money from social security to fight the wrong war and that is okay too. He is an arrogant, pompus something or other and will see it as an overwhelming show of love and support of his policies and administration. That is exactly how I believe he will see it.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 01:43 AM
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Luke I whole-heartedly agree with your post. You know we were discussing it last night as the projections and calls were coming in that we were suprised how in favor NY, D.C., P.A. etc all went for Kerry. Then I got to thinking about it, they all were and are targets for terror and Bush let Bin Laden walk. I could completely understand how pissed everyone was and why Kerry was just sweeping those areas. If only he could have gotten that through everywhere else; he would have swept it all.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 01:57 AM
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Teresa! I just fear that the more widespread Anit-Bush stance of the world , would change to an Anti-US one from here on!
They have approaved all what he is doing , no one has voted for what he will do!
I have met people from the States you have pointed out Luke , I kind of think they just don't have alot at stake.
Luke just made my inner-fight easy ! Very well summed up Luke , one of the rare occasion we have shared same thoughts! Specialy on what will happen in the world!
Guys , the religious factor involved in this elections will draw alot of attention towards it from around the world ! Mixed feelings about what the reactions would be ! But onething is somewhat certain ,untill now the world was dealing with a Secular US STATE ,I doubt if that would be the case for the next 4 years !
Powel was one of the few good guys ; though hardly effective by any means! If the Powel is no longer there for the world to deal with the Bush administration through him , more trouble invited .
I just don't see it "Moral" for someone like Powel to join this administration. His credibilty is already damaged by what he was forced to say at the UN , during the historic Powerpoint presentation!
Would silly of him if he gives it more blows.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 02:04 AM
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Haseeb,
You know what the funny thing is and I do not understand how it could be different for anyone else. This whole election, I never heard what Bush will do with these next four years. I heard him defending himself, defending the war on terror, defending all his decisions he has made thus far. But I heard nothing about what he will do with the next four years that apparently 51% of the American people have handed him. Yes, he said he would work on education, more funding etc..but that was all hogwash. We are further in debt now than we were when he passed other education reforms and they never received their proper funding. Everything he wants to start, we do not have the money too. So therefore, we will continue with more of the same, continue with the fighting, and nothing will change. But I do not know how anyone voted for him on what he will do because he never said.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 02:29 AM
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Haseeb I heard about that PowerPoint presentation. I also remember what someone said about it on the news "it wasn't very powerful and had no point." I would hate to be in Colin Powell's shoes. I think it is a shame that the US has to be a "test dummy" for just how bad Bush and his crew (The Administration) can muck things up. I'm hearing Canada more and more...maybe I can learn to drink Canada Dry more.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 09:53 AM
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Heartily agreed that we should move forward. The "Bush doctrine" huh? Sounds kinda scary, but I guess that's what we all have right now. If we continue to have "move of the same" I feel that our economy will continue to suffer, there will be guns on our streets and the world will have a real tough time taking us seriously. I don't seriously think Bush has the right mentality to fight terrorism because it isn't his top priority and it never was, especially pre 9/11. His priority has always been oil and I don't see any indication that has changed. Thanks Ray for opening this thread!
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 12:00 PM
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BushTimes? They will be stuck in Iraq. Forget about any more liberating elsewhere.
Ave Futuria
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 3, 2004 - 12:51 PM
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Man, I can understand you like Bush, but the "Bush Doctorine"..thats a little steep. just kidding! But anyways, as I have said in other post and I agree with Brian also, we will have more of the same. Blood for oil will continue, the economy will continue to slip, more children will be held back by no child left behind then benefitted...etc. Could I hope that Bush would realize that 48% of the country disapproved and he will try to change his tatics. That is the hope, but a false hope. Bush will see it as 51% approved, those must be the only ones that count and will continue on this same path. He has never cared about the economy or domestic issues. I only wish Laura was more into domestic like Hillary was when Bill was in office. Hillary fought for healthcare, she fought for education, she fought for social security..she truly was that balance. But unfortunately Bush has his daddys panel and they only care about one thing and it is not at home. He is still missing his balance and I am not sure that in four years we will ever see that restored balance to the W.H.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 4, 2004 - 03:26 AM
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Exactly as Luke wrote it, it is exactly how its going to be in reality as well.
Living a life is just not enough!
Ave Futuria
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The Bloody Bush For 4 Years.......
November 4, 2004 - 05:33 AM
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Luke... nice summing up
I spent last night going through the reactions posted on the BBC, I think it would be contributive in the discussion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3961925.stm
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What do you want President Bush to do now?
November 4, 2004 - 05:35 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3981519.stm
Seeing his stingy victorous face is the worst ever, is not it?
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Re: The Bush Doctrine for 2004 to 2008
November 4, 2004 - 05:52 AM
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pod njegovim predsedstvom demokracija nikol ne bo prišla na to območje! ker če že pogledamo kaj dela tam, TO NI NOBENA DEMOKRACIJA! in če imajo američani povsod roke vmes???? ne vem kako bi temu rekli!
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