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Bin Laden ordered attacks
October 29, 2004 - 07:51 AM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/
According to the new Bin Laden tape he did in fact order the 9/11 attacks. Supposedly up to this point he had never denied nor confirmed that he was in fact the one behind those attacks. I found it interesting that he was telling us as Americans what we can do to protect ourselves. Of course, our pres. immediately responded that we would not be intimiidated. But let me say this...in Iraq, those countries that have met their demands, their people have been spared. So the question is, do we back off? Do we try to make peace to keep the American people from having "blood running in the streets"? Do we take the chance that during the "peace" it would just become a training time? There will be war, that cannot be helped. We cannot avoid fights with all nations all the time. But what is it worth? It is truly a game of imtimidation or is it more of a power struggle? Can that line even be told exactly what it is? I am interested to see what responses I get as I know there are some that favor war and holding our ground and others that are willing to do anything at this point.
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
October 30, 2004 - 04:03 AM
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And exactly before US presidential elections !
(I wonder why tapes start coming when conservatives are facing tough elections).
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
October 30, 2004 - 09:11 AM
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Luke, would you believe the Texan had a moment of weakness? You should, our Pres. has them all the time 
Anyways, I have listened more to the reports about the tape coming out this morning and, I know we should not "fold." Iraq was the wrong war, you and I both know that. Afghanistan was not the wrong war, maybe I should have made it clear that I feel that way. I support 110% the war in Afghanistan, but I cannot support our president in the war against Iraq. I hate what was done to us on 9-11-2001. I was actually watching the national geographic videos of 9-11 last night and the pentagon; we were not wrong for Afghanistan and I understand what you are saying about us not pursuing them when we were initially attacked. I'm just tired of hearing that more of our men and women have been killed and that we are giving the Iraqi civilians their own 9-11 every single day. But you are right about the focus, Iraq and Afghanistan are two seperate wars and we need to remember that. I would support the colliation any day again for Afghanistan, but not for Iraq.
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
October 30, 2004 - 12:27 PM
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Texan - I can't beleive you are considering folding - Al Qaeda is not capable of attacking every country in Iraq and CERTAINLY not every country involved in Afghanistan - that is why those ocuntries have been "spared" - notice that Britan has not been attacked - and neither have we by Al Qaeda since the invasion of Iraq - it is a matter of capability not intent - but more to the point - why would you trust Bin Laden?
Were we at war when he attacked us the first time? Makes it rather hard to beleive him when he says "if you don't attack us we won't attack you" - we were not attacking them when they hit us in the first place.
Bin Laden speaks with a forked tongue - he is trying to divide the alliences - this is an old Mofia tactic - it does not mean he will cease to pursue his agenda - just wants to buy some time and some wiggle room.
One of my main critisisms of Bush is that he distracted our focus from Bin Laden.
I think the war in Iraq took heat off Bin Laden and Al Qaeda - I don't care what kind of BS truce Bin Laden is offering - all I want to offer him is a hellfire missle.
I walked on the ashes of Ground Zero while the smoke was still rising - Bin Laden has no honor - there is no peace with him.
This in my mind is a seperate conversation from Iraq and what we do there - our policies in Iraq I think are deeply flawed.
With repect to Bin Laden - if I had a clear shot at him I would kill him myself.
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
October 31, 2004 - 01:35 AM
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I understand what you are saying. I believe what bothers me is the same as you; what does stay the course mean? Obviously Bush nor his adviors have ever thought that it was important information to share with us; or they simply do not know themselves. Which would you like to bet on? Anyways, I do understand what a tight situation this puts us in as Americans and how you cannot win for losing. Afghanistan was right, Iraq was wrong, but are we not indebted to the Iraqi people now to clean up the mess we made? Goodnight everyone.
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
October 31, 2004 - 12:26 PM
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I agree that the tape is a ploy. So what if we do give in to the demands. Then what? We are all a happy family? No. Then come the *new* demands. It won't end if we capitulate. The US is in a really horrible position right now. If Kerry wins and actually tries to do something (as I heard a pundit state the other day) his whole first four years will be defined by what he does to handle Iraq. The security situation in Iraq is abyssmal and Bush doesn't seem to care. The missing tons of explosives are just the tip of the iceburg but people are distracted from this because all Bush is saying is "stay the course" over and over. What does "stay the course" mean exactly? Continue to provide negligible security to Iraq and to our troops there? We can do better.
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
December 7, 2004 - 06:02 AM
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I have to say the war is a devastating situation that most be finalize in a new resolution of change. The Iraq war what cause Bin Laden to slip away,because all the attention was focusing on Sadaam instead of Bin Laden. If Bin Laden is capture or killed it still wouldnt make the world no better than what it already is. The troops need all the support and I know its hard for some ,cause they constantly worried about their love ones life. The question I had to ask was why did bush take his attention off of Bin Laden and starting attacking Iraq? Bin Laden probably somewhere celebrating having a party in a luxery hotel over seas getting high, glad he got away. You never know...that would be some funny sh!t.
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for the sake of world peace
December 10, 2004 - 01:39 AM
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Remember one thing though every thing has ten different meanings as ten different directions of every thing whether it is living or non-living. But why waste time and energy of those meanings concentrate only on one thing they are brainwashed for the job (easily we can say they are brainless human puppets)and you can only help them see and realise the truth and nothing else. They are equiped yes illegally though but yes they are well equiped. You have nothing else but to appologise to them on behalf of those fools who have made them so and show them the world of fethers and fairies cause this is what they expect. with their blowed up egos which can create world class tension and tantrums.
But as for you at last you will definitely feel like a fool if you are not awarded for it. You might even feel targetted so I guess you forget about getting involved in this discussion (eg. taking names like OBL ETC.)so deeply cause writting such articles with such horrifying names might get you into trouble.
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for the sake of world peace
December 10, 2004 - 01:42 AM
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Remember one thing though every thing has ten different meanings as ten different directions of every thing whether it is living or non-living. But why waste time and energy of those meanings concentrate only on one thing they are brainwashed for the job (easily we can say they are brainless human puppets)and you can only help them see and realise the truth and nothing else. They are equiped yes illegally though but yes they are well equiped. You have nothing else but to appologise to them on behalf of those fools who have made them so and show them the world of fethers and fairies cause this is what they expect. with their blowed up egos which can create world class tension and tantrums.
But as for you at last you will definitely feel like a fool if you are not awarded for it. You might even feel targetted so I guess you forget about getting involved in this discussion (eg. taking names like OBL ETC.)so deeply cause writting such articles with such horrifying names might get you into trouble.
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If Only You Could See The Bigger Picture
December 11, 2004 - 01:38 AM
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If only you can see the bigger picture. The world has been in trouble before Christ and now its still in trouble. OBL taking names isnt nothing new or nothing scarey to me, targetting the next person for information cause of a opinion is already laid out, in other words its not a suprise or something to be afraid of. Every body no some body that knows some body that knows some body, so simple and plain, the only man I fear is God...I'm here for a reason and I believe in my heart what I see every day in life is a reason for the things I speak. How can you tell me about my meanings, when you still searching your self for understanding and questioning.. I'm just me and I have a person who watches over me that's powerful than mankind in the flesh.
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If Only You Could See The Bigger Picture
December 11, 2004 - 01:41 AM
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If only you can see the bigger picture. The world has been in trouble before Christ and now its still in trouble. OBL taking names isnt nothing new or nothing scarey to me, targetting the next person for information cause of a opinion is already laid out, in other words its not a suprise or something to be afraid of. Every body no some body that knows some body that knows some body, so simple and plain, the only man I fear is God...I'm here for a reason and I believe in my heart what I see every day in life is a reason for the things I speak. How can you tell me about my meanings, when you still searching your self for understanding and questioning.. I'm just me and I have a person who watches over me that's powerful than mankind in the flesh. Sorry if I was a little bit sarcastic with the way I put some of my termonology of terms, but every body is different in a certain way. pavilion
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I'm back to Clear my name up
December 11, 2004 - 02:36 AM
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I'm back to clear my name up. I didnt know OBL was a government such as FBI. Well I'm back to clear my name up, I'm not no terrorist and I will be more carefully on how I address issues, with my opinions.
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I'm back to Clear my name up
December 11, 2004 - 02:38 AM
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I'm back to clear my name up. I didnt know OBL was a government such as FBI. Well I'm back to clear my name up, I'm not no terrorist and I will be more carefully on how I address issues, with my opinions.
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Re: Bin Laden ordered attacks
December 11, 2004 - 03:50 AM
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Okay this is my two cents worth, we need to remember that not everyone has the same interpretation of things. As I am sure you all have seen on other boards they are getting closed down due to name calling, demeaning etc. So I say let's keep this civilized and up front. It is great that we debate issues, discuss issues and think about them but let's remember we all have feelings and you never know what exactly someone means when all you are reading are words on a computer screen. We are not calling anyone here terrorists and if it comes to a point where someone believes for whatever reason that they need to clear their name, then obviously we are not keeping this user friendly. So lets keep it up front, and keep it to a friendly debate.
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