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Re: Education is the way
October 7, 2004 - 03:46 AM

We have accepted a law (Lex) for equal chances of women in "Deciding power abilities".

Problem happens if you want to have talented leadership i the company lets say there are 10 seat in control board.

5 should go to women and 5 to men by that calculation.

Lot of time happens we dont get enough of capable persons to fill these equally by both genders. So there is still lots of problems occuring, but people are taking this Lex more seriously. Education should be directed in that way, many agree.

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October 7, 2004 - 04:48 AM

It is great to hear that countries are taking active steps towards gender equality in the boardroom.

I agree education is the way to change the lack of women in senior positions.

I also think a culture change is needed. By this I mean that organisations built on generations of 'old school ties' (or sculpted succession planning via family or school lines) need to be open to including women in their succession planning.

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Re: Education is the way
October 7, 2004 - 04:58 AM

Must say my previous post is just a hypothetical one for my country (Slovenia).

Many of control boards are politically given so there "could" be achieved 5 to 5 division but lol, there aint enough women in politics itself. And probably also old habits of assuming "top" belongs to muscled one - the man.

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Schooling system starts up the process which ends up in directors chair from my point of view.

Maybe we are asking for too much for a beginning?

- Veto power for female members in a control boards if not equally attended?

- Wage equality problems should have been solved in front.

I could think up more ..

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STILL A LONG WAY TO THE TOP FOR WOMEN
October 7, 2004 - 09:08 AM

Really I don't know what the ratio is for men and women at the top. But I know that before the current democratic dispensation in Nigeria many women were not found around the the curridors of power. Most of the women up the corporate ladder did so in their family's business. Today, we have women as ministers in Finance, Housing and as top government advisers. We have a good number of them as Justices of various grades of courts including the supreme court. These used to be the special preserve of men. The number of these women may still be a far cry from the number of men occupying similar positions, but many women are beginning to see light at the end of the turnnel.

I vote that women should not be given any unnecessary fillip to occupy positions they are not qualified to hold, or else stardard of services or products will be lowered. Nobody wants this. It is rather better to encourage them to pursue education and other ambitions healthy for the role they will like to play in the society.

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Education is the way
October 13, 2004 - 02:40 AM

Education clearly is the way to balance gender inequity at the top of large organisations/companies.

I agree with ndu, that positions should only be held by people who have the relevant qualifications and ability. It seems negligent and almost contradictors, for women's plight into boardroom equality, to allow women to occupy positions simply to fill a gender quota stipulated by a governing body or a corporate policy.

The next challenge for women is to gain education, recognition and credibility for work 'well done';and earn a place around the boardroom tables of influential companies around the world.

As a woman I cannot help but feel compelled to utalise my 'god given'/'natural blessed ability' to have a child. Reproduction in Australia, 'the luck country', is always a popular debate. In contrast to many of our Asian neighbours, we have a declining birth rate. An article appeared in today’s national newspaper stating that

'the women who should be having babies (ie well educated, middle class, healthy)are not having babies, and the ones who should not (ie uneducated, lower sociio economic status, with health concerns) are having babies'

Women appear to have to choose between a:
successful career OR fulfilling their social role of motherhood.

It seems unfair that women must choose. As an educated (post graduate studies in HR), middle class, fit and healthy women in my late 20's, I feel that I would have to sacrifice my career progression (move up management ladder in big 5 accounting firm) in order to start and develop a family.

It is unfortunate that men cannot have children, and so ambitious women have to face this decision alone.

My questions is:
Is there a lack of women at the top because we are asking too much of women (to combine demanding work and family obligations)?
Or
Have women simply not perfected the art of outsourcing/delegating and contracting the family duties to meet the demands of a successful career?
Let me know what you think..........

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Re: Education is the way
October 14, 2004 - 11:29 AM

Seems like you'll have to force men to have "equal bonds towards a child as mothers have. That would be a tricky effort - a small revolution.

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The role of men in the family
October 15, 2004 - 07:38 AM

Interesting point you have made kaiser.
I am not sure men and women will ever have equal bonds towards children as the mothers biological role is very intimate and conversely the males role quite removed.
The men would obvously have to choose to have a more involved role, or at least share the decision making responsibilities.

My partner said last night that he would be happy to stay at home and look after the children. He run's his own business and is aware that I am career mionded. As a small business owner his time is more flexible and so he could see the possibility of combining some family duties with running a buisiness. I on the otherhand have less flexibility with my role working for a large firm. I am aware that his view maybe the minority.

The questions that interest me is:
Does this mean that with working women and working men a new area of employment has evloved?
I refer to home services such as cleaning, gardening, childcare, home/work car servicing etc.
I am aware that these services are already provided in large Western countries and are indeed an big and successful industry. This to me, seems like a 'win/win' situation. Women's need to have an idenitiy through their career and desire to work full time in the corporate world, along side men, has opened up a new sector of employment. That's a win for women and a win for people who enjoy working in the home service industry!

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The role of men in the family
October 15, 2004 - 07:40 AM

Interesting point you have made kaiser.
I am not sure men and women will ever have equal bonds towards children as the mothers’ biological role is very intimate and conversely the males’ role quite removed.
The men would obviously have to choose to have a more involved role, or at least share the decision making responsibilities.

My partner said last night that he would be happy to stay at home and look after the children. He run's his own business and is aware that I am career minded. As a small business owner his time is more flexible and so he could see the possibility of combining some family duties with running a business. I on the other hand have less flexibility with my role working for a large firm. I am aware that his view maybe the minority.

The questions that interest me is:
Does this mean that with working women and working men a new area of employment has evolved?
I refer to home services such as cleaning, gardening, childcare, home/work car servicing etc.
I am aware that these services are already provided in large Western countries and are indeed a big and successful industry. This to me seems like a 'win/win' situation. Women's need to have an identity through their career and desire to work full time in the corporate world, along side men, has opened up a new sector of employment. That's a win for women and a win for people who enjoy working in the home service industry!

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The role of men in the family
October 25, 2004 - 04:26 AM

Originally posted by ThePerson
Interesting point you have made kaiser.
I am not sure men and women will ever have equal bonds towards children as the mothers

Well i ment it that being responsible for a child would increase awareness inside men. At least at certain part of men, maybe enough to form "critical mass" which would cause social relations to change (in positive way?)

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