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Aurallica
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ohh yeah, one more thing
October 7, 2004 - 01:42 AM
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People...in the name of religion, make lots of rules, and well, add on and subtract to the ACTUAL word of God...and well, that's not God...that's "religion." You use your free, God given, Jesus certified right to go straight to God himself. He's wanting you to. Don't forget that man is but a mere creation--hand crafted by the Creator. If you want to what the inspiration was for some article of high fashion...you don't ask the blouse do you? You ask the designer...the hand-crafter him/herself! I mean, yeah...you can ask your Prada bag questions...but what you hear..., I mean, how accurate is a piece of leather? Albeit beautiful, and smartly done...but how much are you REALLY gonna hear from a purse? As for me and my purse...there's not much in it--so um, not much I can ask it.
P.S. I don't own--nor do I desire to own a Prada anything...at least not unless Mr. or Mrs. Prada births one and gives it to me...but um, now it's just not an illustration...now it's just creepy so I shall stop before I have nightmares about crying purses in observation rooms in delivery wards.
ooooo k. outie! peace! :-)
luvs ya! Aurallica :-)
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 7, 2004 - 03:37 AM
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Taikod, if you wanted to know how Futurism understand role of sexduality in peoples living i already told that in first post here.
Therefore once again:
Sexuality is an integral part of human existence and it cannot be separated from it.
We also tell, that in sexuality there should be no force (violence) but only agreeing.
There's a few other minor guidances but they dont change the message.
Bottom line is, that we, Humans are free to outlive ourselves in any form, also sexual one !
Ave Futuria
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 9, 2004 - 07:36 AM
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taikod,
From the Islamic perspective, sexuality should serve the purpose of marriage in forming the Muslim family and protecting the Muslim couple from committing adultery ('zina' is the equivalent Islamic term for performing sex outside of marriage).
The prophet (peace be upon him) encouraged the youth to get married as soon as they are able to take the responsibilities of marriage. This is one of the teachings in Islam.
Regarding masturbation, some scholars say it is permissible if it is the only way to prevent a Muslim from commiting 'zina' (as the lesser of the two evils). Others say it is forbidden in all cases.
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 9, 2004 - 07:43 AM
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Each man or woman, I suppose, seeks sensual pleasure among other pleasures unless there is some special reason. But just as it is for other pleasures like drinking, eating and even speaking, for mutuality's sake rules are put in place. And not just for mutuality's sake but out of our nature we find it proper that somethings go this way or that way. Religion, I suppose, is an expression of one's thinking, belief and orrientation. Given it encompasses all that is said of being with regard to those that profess the particular faith, out of their nature and for mutuality's sake, rules and guidelines are inevitable.
Come to think of sexuality, why would one want it to be an exception. If it were that everything that is possible or that is in our capability be done, would we survive? what is possible and what is in our nature is only worthy its standing or is good if it is life affirming. The sexual drive like other urges e.g the destructive ones that lead people into blowing each other's heads, needs be directed. my argument is that, there is no point as to why we should feel vexed by rules around sexuality.
Rules conserning incest serve their purpose. rules conserning respect for other animals sexually and rules conserning sex between sexes ought be clear and exact. they are there not as an authoritative force but as a mutual force that direct us towards full maturation. It is from this point of view that I think religeous leaders and scholars, as shepherds of the masses, especially as partains morality, ought be careful when it comes to homosexuality. They have an obligation of being a sign of hope to each and everyone. They are supposed to be love and tenderness for everyone. They are not supposed to be condemning but they have to make sound judgements based on facts and prayerful reflection.
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Ayodeji Aladejebi
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Religion and Sexuality
October 19, 2004 - 08:51 AM
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The question of religion (especially Christianity) and homosexuality will continue to be a boiling issue for this generation and definitely generations to come.
While most religions preach and practice tolerance, it should also be pointed out that anything that contravene the basis of this belief will be difficult to accept.
It's pretty logical, while the scriptures says "thou shall not steal" it doesn't says all thiefs are not welcome, rather, stealing is what it does not condone.
Taikod, in all honesty, I see you as an intelligent person who is out to establish the truth. Unfortunately, you've forgotten that the very premise of most religion - christianity - especially, often devoid logical reasoning. I mean how do you explain the logic behind the parting of the red sea, the feeding of 5,000, the raising of Lazarus after being dead for days, or can you possibly explain and make sense of the fact that christ chose to whip those who were buying and selling in the temple? Yet he's suppose to be a compassionate "christ". The fact of the matter is, liberalism will continue to seek answers to many unknowns, and evidently, the proponents of Homosexuality will forever have evidence upon evidence to support their argument. Sadly, we have forgotten, that the bible is crystal clear on this.
I'm so happy that God has given us all "choices" and freedom of will. He's not forcing us to be what we don't want to be. The path has been laid before us and we are in the position to chose one or the other. But let's remember that God is a loving and caring God and at the same time he's a god of justice and order.
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 19, 2004 - 10:28 AM
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"It's pretty logical, while the scriptures says "though shall not steal" it doesn't says all thiefs are not welcome, rather, stealing is what it does not condone."
Well said!
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
November 14, 2004 - 02:37 AM
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Well I consider myself pretty liberal on peoples' sexual preferences but still when the issue of sex comes up in our talks, I try to avoid it.
When i thought about, why it happened, i suspect it has to with my upbringing in a very conservative society here in India.
The various religions, give guidelines on how to lead one's life. They are subject to local variations. These then form the societal rules that one is expected to follow.
It is like if someone burped very loudly in public, it is considered very rude. But in some countries, the louder the burp, you tell the host/ess that the better you enjoyed the meal.
These rules in society develop over a period of time. Hence, although religion gives us guidelines on how to live, the problem comes when it is enforced on people. People who do not follow these rules are then shunned by society. Of all these guidelines, those on sex and sexuality are very widely discussed.
I do agree with people who say that sex is an integral part of human existence but not the only thing for human survival.
I recently read the novel, "The Da Vinci Code". This book has the protogonist explaining to his colleague how the church(Vatican) crushed everything so that it could become the sole path to the almighty and women villified when the society then placed women at the centre of the universe.
The explanation about the history also mentioned that Jesus Christ was married and his 'wife' Magdalene was carrying his child at the time of his crucifixtion, and hence, Jesus was human and not God. He explains that the church would do anything to keep that secret under wraps so that it's absolute power stays.
The secretive society that protected this secret and the shrine of Magdalene from the church, did this at great risk to themselves, as the church had a history of prosecuting and executing those who held beliefs contrary to that church's.
This is no doubt a novel, but it does makes one think that if it were true, it explains the fact that anyone who takes steps that seem to be against accepted rules does so at some risk.
If a person is aware of the risks in taking a particular steps against society and is ready to face it, he/she should go for it.
After all, if no one took such risks, how will society progress??
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Andrew Lauman
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
November 14, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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We are having a good discussion on this issue at
http://www.takingitglobal.org/discuss/showthread.html?s=&threadid=6984&perpage=15&pagenumber=8
Terry, you haven't responded to some of my posts. I have done some research and would like to see what you say.
Hmmm, the Da Vinci code is fraught with many errors.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/newsletter/2003/nov14.html
The beautiful thing about the bible is that is still stands. Against all attacks of emperors, leaders, kings, princes and whoever. It still stands the test of time.
It's principles will stand against all things.
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November 14, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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We are having a good discussion on this issue at
http://www.takingitglobal.org/discuss/showthread.html?s=&threadid=6984&perpage=15&pagenumber=8
Terry, you haven't responded to some of my posts. I have done some research and would like to see what you say.
Hmmm, the Da Vinci code is fraught with many errors.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/newsletter/2003/nov14.html
The beautiful thing about the bible is that is still stands. Against all attacks of emperors, leaders, kings, princes and whoever. It still stands the test of time.
It's principles will stand against all things.
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Danny Sweeney
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
November 14, 2004 - 05:41 AM
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The Da Vinci code is a fiction book - nothing more, why people take what it says seriously is beyond me.
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November 16, 2004 - 03:02 AM
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Agreed the book is fiction. I myself said it is a novel. I just used the story of the book as an example.
Guess the point I was trying to make was the very reason why very few people have the guts to go against existing society is the fear of being an outcast.
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
November 18, 2004 - 08:05 AM
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Homosexuality should be unacceptable in any decent society. Homosexual inclinations is the result of mental illess and defect. It should be cured. No way, it can be allowed in a decent society.
The countries in which homosexuality is permissible, are on their way to downfal. No question aboout that.
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November 18, 2004 - 08:32 AM
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The essential question here would be,
1) Is Homosexuality a choice?
2) Or is it an innate quality?
I think we need to concentrate deep on roots of this issue than generalizing with religions.
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Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
November 19, 2004 - 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by Bladerunner
We are having a good discussion on this issue at
http://www.takingitglobal.org/discuss/showthread.html?s=&threadid=6984&perpage=15&pagenumber=8
Terry, you haven't responded to some of my posts. I have done some research and would like to see what you say.
Apologies for disappearing... I've been flat out with work for the last month - and will be for the next one as well. I'll be back in discussion mode over Christmas when life calms down again. Until then, my head is full of MOUs, visa applications and writing a half dozen presentations on network evaluation, the information society, and sustainable development. Yikes!
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November 19, 2004 - 05:27 AM
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None of us have the right to pass judgement on this - we are not God and we do not see everything.
It is not for anyone here or anywhere else to pass judgement on homosexual people.
"You have made yourselves judges - and corrupt judges at that!"
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