 Author |
 Post
|
 |
|
claire rowley
Joined: Oct 1, 2004
Posts: 1 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female & 29
Country: United Kingdom
|
Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 1, 2004 - 04:26 AM
|
|
Hi, I am new to this board and, researching relgion and sexulaity. Which to be honest I am finding harder than I orginally thought. As a gay woman I thought that I would have strong views to what I am reading but all I am faced with is further questions. Even the people I have talked to have different views on whether sexuality should be accepted into the church.
I would love to get some more opnions.
Thanks
lovingit
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
nikky
Joined: Sep 4, 2004
Posts: 13 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Soft-spoken
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 24
Country: India
Province/State: Maharashtra
City: Pune
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 3, 2004 - 01:02 AM
|
|
religion and sexuality going together HOW .
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Cicero
Joined: Feb 1, 2004
Posts: 1020 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Blabbermouth
User is
Offline
Country: United Kingdom
Province/State: London, City of
City: London
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 4, 2004 - 03:37 AM
|
|
Everything is interconnected on different levels (Codex)
Sexuality (in all of its forms) is an integral part of Human existence and cannot be reasonably ignored. (Reason is not prime essence of religion) This is where u have flashpoint.
Ave Futuria
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Danny Sweeney
Joined: Mar 22, 2004
Posts: 214 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Chatterbox
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 25
Country: United Kingdom
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 01:33 AM
|
|
gay people can have religious beliefs too.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Terri Willard
Joined: Jul 27, 2001
Posts: 370 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Blabbermouth
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 40
Country: Canada
Province/State: Manitoba
City: Winnipeg
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 02:26 AM
|
|
Hi Claire, Drop me a TIG IM, I'll send you my email address, and we can chat for hours on this! Having grown up Catholic and gone through the process of coming out while at a Jesuit University, I spent A LOT of time reading and thinking about sexuality and religion. A few years ago, I was also thinking about starting an MDiv, took a few theology classes, and ended up writing a paper on the relationships between lesbian ministers, their partners, and their churches. I've got a ton of books and Web sites I could recommend.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Terri Willard
Joined: Jul 27, 2001
Posts: 370 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Blabbermouth
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 40
Country: Canada
Province/State: Manitoba
City: Winnipeg
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 02:31 AM
|
|
Oh... and Julia, setting aside your assumption that the purpose of life is physical reproduction (seems like a rather low aim in life to me), don't automatically assume that being gay doesn't mean you cannot have children. Feel free to read my updates for proof of that.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
John Proctor
Joined: Oct 5, 2004
Posts: 24 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Talkative
User is
Offline
Country: United Kingdom
City: Brighton
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 02:45 AM
|
|
I believe that sexuailty and religion is made more difficult than is has to be.
I don't see how sexuailty can be a barrier to religion, other than that people make it one. Religion certinally can't be a legitimate basis for homophobia as that undermines any idea of kindness and compassion, which to me seem to lie at the heart of all religions.
JP
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
redmamba
Joined: May 2, 2004
Posts: 91 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Chatterbox
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 28
Country: Kenya
Province/State: Nairobi Area
City: Nairobi
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 03:14 AM
|
|
As far as i am conserned or as i know, sexuality has never been rejected by the church. The church is built and thrives on sexuality. The word sexuality has different connotations in context but conventionally I think it is about male and female. I think the question here is not about religion and compatibility with sexuality (all religions have many doctrine's on sexuality)but about homo-sexuality and religion's outlook.
I think being clear with the question will help others to share more specifically on the issue. I think it is a guestion of great contraversy in the church and in the other religions as well. many religions hold that God created man and woman for each other. The idea that man goes for fellow man and woman goes for fellow woman, as it has become more acutely evident, in the modern society contradicts most religions anthropologies. but in dialoque with sciences, many religeous leaders are becoming more and more tolerant and open to the possibility that these beloved children of God are not sick but just different.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Terri Willard
Joined: Jul 27, 2001
Posts: 370 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Blabbermouth
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 40
Country: Canada
Province/State: Manitoba
City: Winnipeg
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 03:33 AM
|
|
Hi Gideon,
Christianity actually has a lot of "Anti-body" notions which have become wrapped up with its theology and social teachings over the years. Beyond - and underlying - common Christian stances on homosexuality, there are a variety of teachings regarding when, where, and how sexual expression is appropriate. Most of this is closely tied to a belief that sexual expression = intercourse and that this should only occur for the purpose of creating children within the bounds of marriage. Only very recently (e.g. last 20-30 years), have liberal religious scholars begun to explore the idea of sexuality and sexual expression as being beyond simple intercourse and viewing all of the emotions/feelings/joy as gifts from God.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Brian
Joined: Jan 22, 2004
Posts: 464 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Blabbermouth
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 39
Country: United States
Province/State: North Carolina
City: Raleigh
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 04:58 AM
|
|
The Bible has lots of sexuality in it. I never knew than until I actually read the Old Testament. This site: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ details many things (for better and for worse) and annotates the sex stuff. Very interesting!
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
HORRI
Joined: Jul 7, 2004
Posts: 10 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Soft-spoken
User is
Offline
Country: Somalia
Province/State: Woqooyi Galbeed
City: Hargeisa
|
Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 05:29 AM
|
|
I have a different opinion from those who disconnect Religion from sex. I also disagree with criticising you in asking about religion while declaring your deeds (same sex
preference).
I am a muslim, not on identity only as a lot of people claim it, but I am a real muslim in faith. In Islam Allah {God} never asks any demand from his humble creatures (Human, animal,environment). He is the Absolue power who need not but his servants need Him, and He is safeguarding their interests in introducing faith (Islam, christianity, etc).
Islam, as a faith. maintains one's transit days in herenow (This world), and since Allah installed the sex desire in us, He only want us to use it properly for our own interest, cultural values and human grading.
The parameter for using sex well is to ensure that it should be productive. Contrary to that practicing it in the same sex is a waste, degrading and against all ideals of human beings.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Soloviova
Joined: Sep 30, 2004
Posts: 2 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 37
Country: Russia
Province/State: Moscow City
City: Moscow
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 06:16 AM
|
|
I think that people born for having children. They must leave something after ... So sex and religion must be together
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Soloviova
Joined: Sep 30, 2004
Posts: 2 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 37
Country: Russia
Province/State: Moscow City
City: Moscow
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 06:21 AM
|
|
reply for lovingit
you are gay. how even can you speak about religion. It is unnatural to live in thius way!
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Terri Willard
Joined: Jul 27, 2001
Posts: 370 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Blabbermouth
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 40
Country: Canada
Province/State: Manitoba
City: Winnipeg
|
Re: Why disconnect Religion from Sex
October 6, 2004 - 06:42 AM
|
|
Hi Hassan,
Most religions strongly connect sexual expression to creation. While I can't speak for Islam, I do know however that some Christian theologians have begun to explore whether/how God means to limit "creation" to physical creation. Is sex only about physical reproduction? If it were, one could argue that post-menopausal women should not have sex with their husbands and that couples in which one person is sterile should not be permitted to engage in sex with each other either.
Given that those prohibitions do not exist in Christianity, some scholars would argue that perhaps sex is ALSO about the creation of love, trust, respect, and mutual commitment. Ethical sexual relations need to contribute to that in a couple as much or more than the production of offspring. I'll look for some articles on this later.
For now, http://www.mcauley.acu.edu.au/~yuri/ethics/sex.html is an interesting introduction to Catholic sexual ethics. I'd be curious to know how similar/different these are from Muslim teachings.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Aurallica
Joined: Aug 15, 2003
Posts: 11 (view all)
Poster Rank:
Soft-spoken
User is
Offline
Country: United States
|
Howdy :-) The limited Christian's point of view
October 7, 2004 - 01:33 AM
|
|
I called myself the "limited Christian" because there IS a limit you know to how much...well...you know.
People aren't omnipotent, we can just merely interpret, comprehend, and abide by what we believe to be right and true. The problem with asking US or "people" about sexuality and other hot topic questions is that we can often, at best, lead each other in circular logic circles :-)
To answer your question best as a personal opinion--I believe that God intended for sex to feel great and to be enjoyed WITHIN the RESPONSIBLE union of marriage. I know that He created them male and female as the Bible says, and that for this, a man will leave his mother and father...da da da da. As far as whether or not homosexuality is wrong, right, et cetera...I've been asking God this for years, and I either haven't received an answer, haven't listend hard enough for the right answer, or haven't heard enough of the answer that I WANT to hear. I only can guess that sense I am a hetero, God feels that His answers are enough because a) It is not my responsiblity (and no where NEAR His desire for one of His creations to judge another one of His creations) and b) The only thing God requires of me to do in relationship to other people is just to LOVE them--not judge, not HATE, not throw stones at or give a haughty look to...in fact...God abhores it when we take His job into our own ill-equiped hands.
I think that the only way to REALLY get an answer to your question--as a matter of fact--the BEST, most ACCURATE, and well...the ONLY answer that MATTERS is to just straight go to God yourself. Pick up your phone (your humble, open heart) and call him (pray). You've got a direct line to God ANYTIME you'd like, no daytime minutes, or long distance bill to worry about...you'll never wake Him, for He's NEVER sleeping! So yeah...you can communicate with Him whenever and WHERE-EVER you are in life. Jesus died and rose again so that you'd be able to get in touch with God without having to worry about being chaste enough, or clean enough, or drug-free enough....
Just close your analytical brain and just ask for the Holy Spirit to come into your heart and help you to form your words, or be in the right frame of mind to accept and recieve God's ready and waiting answers.
God loves us all, and He wants us to love each other, and help each other in Jesus. WWJD? What Would Jesus Do? He'd love you and he'd embrace you and lead you to His Father. Christian definition: Follower of Christ. If you meet hate, please know that that is NOT a Christian...it surely might be someone who believes in Christ...but they fo' show are NOT FOLLOWING Christ at that exact moment :-)
love you!
Aurallica!
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
|
Display posts from:
|
Home
Community
