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Rony
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are you up for equal rights?
September 10, 2004 - 08:23 AM
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i have a question for everybody and i wanna hear your opinions on it. Do you believe that women who play the same type of sports as men should get paid the same amount of money even if thier records is not as high as the men?. For example track: women who run track and finish first but in a longer time than men should get paid just as much as the man who comes in first in his game but finishes in a shorter time span?
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Re: are you up for equal rights?
October 6, 2004 - 03:31 AM
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Yes.
BTW: Since when we compare genders by their physical strenght? On that way we only rival these two on muscles.
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Re: are you up for equal rights?
October 6, 2004 - 07:48 AM
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Sounds great to me!
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Yes
October 13, 2004 - 08:55 AM
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If we believe in egalitarianism or just in the equal rights, then women should also get a fair or same cut as men. Besides they are all number ones.
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i'm Glad you feel that way!
October 14, 2004 - 08:11 AM
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i'm glad that all of you are up for equal rights. I just wanted to get the general public's opinion because some men i've been talking to were totally against equal pay for women just because they felt like men are genetically capable of doing more work , thus they should get more pay.
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Re: are you up for equal rights?
December 26, 2004 - 05:12 AM
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I am FULLY supportive of equal rights for women.
I really take issue to this: "some men i've been talking to were totally against equal pay for women just because they felt like men are genetically capable of doing more work."
This is completely wrong.
Women in general not only have higher IQs than men (average 4 point difference), but they also live longer on average (average lifespan for females in the U.S. is 78 years, while average lifespan for a male in the U.S. is 72-74 years).
Therefore, women can not only be expected to work more productively (as a result of higher intelligence) but also to work LONGER, as they have greater longevity than men.
So.
Perhaps the average man is superior to the average female in regard to physical brute strength. Fine, i am willing to concede that point. Therefore, by this logic, male ditch-diggers, construction workers, athletes, garbage men, and those in other occupations which require ONLY physical strength should make more than women.
However, due to superior intelligence and greater longevity, women in PROFESSIONAL fields (ie law, medicine, academia, the high-tech industry, etc) which require skill and intellect rather than brute strength should actually make more money than men, as the quality of their work can be assumed to be superior.
I'm just following the above chain of logic ("some men i've been talking to were totally against equal pay for women just because they felt like men are genetically capable of doing more work."
My true belief is that all people should receive equal pay for equal work, regardless of what they have between their legs.
This seems like a foolish criteria to base a person's professional value on.
Salary and promotion should be based on personal merit, industry, and contribution, NOT on gender, race, age, or any other arbitrary criteria.
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just mere concepts
December 26, 2004 - 06:07 AM
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i dont want to burst anyone's bubble but i believe that words or ideas like sustainability and equal right are just mere concepts developed to give the human race hope, it is 100% built on our emotion of hope and there is no real chance of ever attaining such concepts. It is all well and good to hope for these things one day but we have to be realistic (not pessismistic or optimistic) in our thinking.
just my 2 cents
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xxxivy
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Re: are you up for equal rights?
December 26, 2004 - 06:20 AM
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While I can appreciate that this may be true in your country, it is not applicable to the United States or many other industrialized nations.
The united states has made enormous progress toward equity for all people and human and civil rights for women, minorities, the elderly, the handicapped, etc since the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Things are vastly improved from what they were only 50 years ago.
No matter what anyone says to the contrary, I will politely disagree. I think we will acheive gender equality within my lifetime.
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maybe I don't follow track enough, but
December 27, 2004 - 11:51 AM
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this discussion just confuses me a little bit. I think athletes should be paid relative to what they bring in, not what they do. If Steve Nash scores 13 points, dishes out 11 assists (yeah!!!) and brings in 17,000 paying customers, I'd look at the 17,000 paying customers and what they paid to see the event.
Now, if Dina Taurasi (I know who she is; do you?) averages 17 points, 4.4 rebounds and 3.9 assists, but the Mercury only draw 10,000 people at reduced ticket prices, then her performance doesn't have the same value. The point being that in a free economy, value is set by the consumers, not some aesthetically pleasing conceptual format,
I do, however, believe that value for male and female athletes should be based on the same concept of revenue sharing.
I have a better handle on the practical answer for film stars. Male and female box office values determine the relative values for male and female stars, and that is a concept that does make sense. If there is a significant male lead, and no real female draw, then the male's box office / film value will be tied to first weekend grosses. Same for females -- if there is a significant female lead, and no real malde draw, then the female's box office / film vlaue will be tied to the first weekend grosses. To say that the male and female are both leads grossly mis-states their values, since not all actors are created alike in the minds of paying audiences.
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Johnny Razak Abdallah
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Dont confuse the two
August 4, 2005 - 08:02 AM
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My opinion is everybody has what he is good at, we should not confuse the two..Women are best in certain things and i believe they should spend much time upgrading theirselves and men are good at other stuffs, they also should spend time upgrading theirselves...
Else we would lose focus when we always want to compare the two or try to bring a kinda "what men can do women can do better"...
So locate your potential and execute it at your best..
Dont try to be who you are not, cos it would not take you far..You never know what the person you are imitating does or how much time he spends getting it well..
So rather try to be someone other would imitate.How about that
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