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Tightening Borders For Refugees
August 12, 2004 - 10:47 AM
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I respect countries that take in refugees and allow them to start and build a new life temporarily or permanently. But these same countries have become very skeptical in who they allow to enter the country as refugees because of the very few who use refugee status in order to immigrate when their home country has caused no problems for them. These are the people who make it harder for war victims and victims of other factors such as famine to find a new place to move as refugees. What do you think?
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
August 12, 2004 - 10:59 AM
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I agree with you. it's a pity that some people request refugee status when they can afford to stay in their country this way they spoil it for the real people who need to immigrate in order to survive war, conflict or natural disaster. i'm living in a country(south africa) where this is a big issue with the immigration laws due to the fact that there are a lot of illegal immigrants. it's not everyone who comes here intentionally to hide out but it's more to seek better opportunities than from their home countries.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 13, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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I have mixed feelings about immigration. In one hand we've got people that come to the United States and work hard to make a better life for themselves and their families. I have a lot of respect for those people for taking the actions required to have a better future.
But in the other hand, we've got people coming here and leeching off of the benefits we offer. It isn't fair that people can come here, acquire citizenship by having a baby, and then sit on their ass sucking up tax payers' money through medicare and welfare.
We need stricter immigration laws. You should have to prove yourself before becoming a citizen of any country. Being accepted as a citizen is a privilege that should not be taken advantage of.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 17, 2004 - 05:02 AM
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FORTRESS EUROPE:
After enduring wave after wave of new immigrants to south Italy, europe is starting to think, how to keep immigrants from Africa on African ground. They want to build *camps* in the Libya. (Suddenly Qadhaffi is a good friend)
Ave Futuria
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 18, 2004 - 02:10 AM
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WELL IN AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH YOU I STILL HOLD MY OWN BELIEF OF WHY PEOPLE HAVE TO FAKE IMMIGRATION TO ANY LEVEL,I THINK IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT BECAUSE THEY MUST HAVE A REASON OF DOING SO IT PROBABLY CAN BE IN SEARCH OF MORE BREAD AND BUTTER OR TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND MEET SOME RESPONSIBILITIES,WHICH SEEMS NOT TO BE EASY TO ACHIEVE IN THEIR COUNTRY,I MEAN WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT A MAN WHO LIVES IN ONE OF THESE REMOTE VILLAGES&SUBURBS TO THINK ABOUT NOTHING ELSE BUT HOW TO GET OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY AND GO TO WHERE(AS THEY HEAR OTHERS SAY)THEY CAN MAKE SOME LITTLE MONEY AND MEET THEIR NEEDS,SO I DON'T BLAME ANY OF THE DESPERATE IMMIGRANTS,I BLAME THE ECONOMIC SITUATIONS IN THEIR VARIOUS COUNTRY.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 18, 2004 - 06:04 AM
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kaiser i think you know that europe has got enough refugees in europe, so it's kinda undersandable that it doesn't wanna take them from other continents! you have to know that in 1991-1992 over 60 000 refugees have fled to slovenia during the war in other yugoslav countries! and not long ago there were many refugees from kosovo etc.!
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kaiser mislim , da veš da ima evropa dovolj svojih beguncev, zato je nekako razumljuvo da noče tujih z drugih celin! moraš vedeti , da je med 1991-1992 preko 60 000 beguncev pribežalo v slovenijo med vojno v drugih jugoslovanskih republikah! in ne dolgo nazaj je bilo veliko beguncev s kosova itn.!
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 20, 2004 - 01:21 AM
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yeah i know that countries like urs have really tried for the keeping of Refugees,but if at this stage u still can't incoporate them into ur society,what's is the use of brotherhood through globalisation that we all believe in and have been preaching about?
AVE FUTURIA.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 20, 2004 - 05:37 AM
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I know it took a lot of our public funds (and personal efforts) to keep those people safe here.
And it is also hard to assimilate, incorporate them into our society in case they would apply for asylum. Culture gap is high, too high for that.
Ave Futuria
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 21, 2004 - 03:18 AM
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Yes i know but what i mean by brotherhood through globalisation is just my own idea of the basis of unity through whether economic globalisation or any other form of globalisation.
And yes there are so many antagonising forces out there though,but i think we are out to create an environment where we'll expand globalisation more than what it is presently now no matter how strong the opposing forces are.
And i think we should try and reduce our immigration laws since we can't deny to notice the vivid pictures of hard economies of most countries?
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 21, 2004 - 03:29 AM
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Well i am not sure if i understood that properly.. But Globalization is actually a movement for *something* to be stretched over the globe. Times back it was used mostly about economy - free market economy all around the globe, currently it goes around giving same political system (democracy). Seems like all really good things - for a individual will be coming late: Human rights and empathy etc..
What i mean by that, there are forces just everywhere, that wont *go* with that and wil even oppose this process.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 21, 2004 - 11:12 AM
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yes, my son attended school with children from 51 different countries. no one wanted to leave their country--it's simply the opportunity was better elsewhere.
so many places people struggle to get food, clean water, and a place to live...simple things that everyone should have.
how can we begrudge someone the necessities of life? america can make room. the problem is our money is held by 10% of the people.
my neighbor just got deported to gutemala. he ran a traffic light and the policeman asked for his papers. he didn't have them, so he went to jail.
people want to come here to make a better life.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 22, 2004 - 01:44 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaiser
[B]Depends how we want to play it: Here are two main ways:
- Immigration in order to accomodate people that left their home country in search for a better life elsewhere. (By doing that the country in which Individual emigrated will benefit from his work and he will be a taxpayer there - the country from which immigrant originates wont be any better off at all!)
YES I THINK FOR NOW THIS OPTION IS WHAT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED FOR NOW,BECAUSE THE LATTER OPTION IS A BIT MORE COMPLICATED AND MIGHT EVEN BRING ABOUT MORE PROBLEMS THAN PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS.GOOD THOUGHT
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 22, 2004 - 01:47 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaiser
[B]Currently there is still ongoing UN session on how to fight poverty. WE all know its poverty that causes all that we see on TV. (Rich guys dont go after each other).
Not to mind most of the time *very interestng* "solutions" offered by politicians, we still can get one or two good ideas. Trust me, none of "big moves" will work. Solutios for such things are modest and simple (and cheap) But they are hard to find.
YES BUT I STILL BELIEVE IN THE ONGOING MEETING,SO FAR I BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY,AND I HOPE THIS ONE WORKS, JUST AS A MODEST AND SIMPLY CHEAP ONE WILL.
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 22, 2004 - 04:01 AM
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Depends how we want to play it: Here are two main ways:
- Immigration in order to accomodate people that left their home country in search for a better life elsewhere. (By doing that the country in which Individual emigrated will benefit from his work and he will be a taxpayer there - the country from which immigrant originates wont be any better off at all!)
- OR empowerment of countries in which people live badly by the halp of rich countries in form of guidance and funds that dont have to be repaid, with a WELL KNOWN TARGET. Actually in this process, the poor country *will* have to give away some of decision rights and a bit of independence.
How would you want it to be? (i see 2nd option long term better, but we start with option 1 as its for now easier)
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Re: Tightening Borders For Refugees
September 22, 2004 - 04:05 AM
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Currently there is still ongoing UN session on how to fight poverty. WE all know its poverty that causes all that we see on TV. (Rich guys dont go after each other).
Not to mind most of the time *very interestng* "solutions" offered by politicians, we still can get one or two good ideas. Trust me, none of "big moves" will work. Solutios for such things are modest and simple (and cheap) But they are hard to find.
Ave Futuria
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