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Andrew Lauman
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Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
August 11, 2004 - 02:42 AM
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I am tired of hearing the news reports of people saying that Islam is a peaceful religion, when what I read and see contradicts that.
Here are some of the few stories that happen every day,
-In Nagpur, Hindus attacked saints gathered in a home and threatened to burn them. When police were called, they too threatened to burn the saints.
--Pakistani Christians are attacked non-stop. Recently, in Islamabad, 17 believers were killed on a Sunday morning.
--The Nigerian state of Lagos has outlawed all house churches. All new church buildings must be approved by the government. Evangelical groups are doing nothing to defend the saints who meet in homes.
--Hindus in Gujarat, India are calling for the extermination of all Christians after they kill all the Muslims.
--Muslims in Asaita, Ethiopia, attacked the Makane Yesus church during services and destroyed all the contents. One of the pastors is still in the hospital under treatment.
--Maluku church leaders, in Indonesia, appealed to the United Nations for help, which did not come, as Muslims went into a frenzy after being told to kill all the Christians by a Mullah in Friday mosque prayer time. This is the real Islam. Your Muslim friend in the West is a secular degeneration from the true vicious teachings of Muhammed.
--The long standing massacre of Christians in southern Sudan continues unabated, while the Western world, Bush, and the U.N. say nothing. Muslims Sudanese leaders have stated that genocide of Christians is a national policy.
http://www.ransomfellowship.org/Article_Persecution.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=10242
How much more will the western media stand by and watch such great persecution without saying anything?
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Islam is about submission to the commands of Allah
August 12, 2004 - 03:53 AM
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Islam is about submission to the will of Allah. People of the Book need not reject the communications of God through Muhammad PBUH and true pious Beleiver are supposed to recognize the commands easily. For this it is important to have first hand learning from Qur'an.
All the deeds of men and women calling themsleves Muslim or getting identified with Islam can not called Islamic, unless are they are judged through the criterion set forth clearly in Qur'an.
Aggression is never appreciated and those agressing on an innocent man is considered aggressing on the whole humanity.There is a common verse refering to this in the Books of Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and Moses(PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH),son of Mariam( May Allah be pleased with her)
Satan creates dissent against the commands of Allah. All the Christians are not following the communications of Allah for the humanity that was communicated through Jesus(PBUH). We need to be extremely careful while writing about Islam as that refers to deeds generated out of fear of Allah and not that of vain desires .
With greetings for peace for all and prayers to Allah for more and more guidance for all of us
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
August 12, 2004 - 04:02 AM
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Thanks for replying.
Why then is there so much persecution against the Christian Church? Why are hundreds of thousands dying to Islamic radicals?
Lets go to Northern India and preach the gospel. We would be burned in gasoline. One of my best friends is going back to India, this is what he tells me. My cousin is going to Northern India and this is the threat she faces as she goes to tell people about Jesus. However, there are others. Sudan. Iran. Afghanistan. etc. It sounds very peaceful and I have met peaceful muslims, but story after story is being told of the butchering of people by radical Islamic groups.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1577780728/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-6852296-8293514#reader-page You have to turn the pages. And page after page you will read story after story of people being killed by islamic radicals.
Are these stories lies or are North American Christians to scared to say anything because of political correctness? I think it is the latter. Apathy is what kills God's people.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
August 28, 2004 - 07:51 AM
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http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=70
http://www.ntpi.org/html/sitemap1.html
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 3, 2004 - 11:56 AM
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hey dude....
did you know that hinduism and islam are different religions? also did you ever consider why people HATE christians so much? maybe because the religion was pushed down people's throats with colonialism? i think it's really funny how the western media is all about the "them" and "us" syndrom; white v.s. brown, civilized v.s. barbarians, judiochristian v.s. islam/other...
today i was looking at our manufactured headlines. chechnian rebles are holding KIDS hostage, palestinians are blowing themselves up, and bush is fighting terrorism. hurrah!
you really need to question what's NOT getting reported. why do people hate the west? why do people hate america? israel? christianity? one of the reasons i hate the news is that there is no historical context to it.
i hear that things are pretty fucked up in chechnia.... i was just in palestine and after going through roadblocks, checkpoints, walls, and being soundbombed every night by macho soliders looking for a good laugh, i can honestly understand why a palestinian would want to blow someone up. it is not islam that makes people kill, it is a lifetime of poverty, racism, and brutality that drives someone to these means.
islam is just as violent as any other religion. personally my beef is with monotheism. i think it is the underlying evil of the world... the idea that there is only one god, one path, one way. monotheism needs to crumble with all of the walls, tear gas, barbed wire and tanks. we need a paradigm that recognizes that we are all one as humans, and stop fighting about who's right or wrong and what land belongs to who. unfortunately with the amount of stolen land and refugees we currently have the fighting will not be over until people wake up and see what our ancestors have done.
yesterday i went out and bought an ipod. my friend just got kicked out of her house and doesn't have money for rent. who needed that money more? the kids starving in africa? or my ear drums? i am such a hypocrit in this whole mess, but all i can do is pour my heart out and search for truth.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 9, 2004 - 04:51 AM
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you saying that islam is violence religion then what u call what isreal do every day in plastine killing 10000000 of inoccent kids is that peacefull??? or maybe u think wat happend to iraqi muslim is fair dont try to attack islam cuz u dont know a b it about it and u know well that media hide the crimes been done to muslims so learn more about it before u judge
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 9, 2004 - 07:45 AM
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Salam
I agree w/ every single word gnp an Ahlam said.
Pal..u need to consider somethin here
ISLAM IS PERFECT...
MUSLIMS ARE NOT!!!!!!
I hope you get wut I'm sayin
Sarsari
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Hard Religion
September 14, 2004 - 05:51 AM
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Let please sincere to ourself and this is not that I'm againsting the Islam but truely there is not peace in practising Islam.
Muslim defined Islam as a religion of peace but it 100% false. Here in Nigeria, everything about Islam is force; they force people to read their book and to accept their religion.
Please, let redefine what Islam is.
Thank.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 19, 2004 - 08:35 AM
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bladerunner you have a point that many followers of islam are committing intolerant acts towards other religions however, your sources, especially the second one must not be taken seriously
frontpagemag is a right wing rag and jamie glazov is a former communist from russia who is now a right wing facist
every article on that frontpagemag is extremist and should not be used as a source for non biased information
also you yourself are a christian according to your other posts, the bible has a lot of killing and murder and encourages slavery, this is why white christians practiced slavery from africa for centuries and justified it from a biblical perspective, if you are going to attack another religion you should take a look at your own which is just as intolerant as islam.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 20, 2004 - 01:33 AM
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celestial323 that's why I'm selective about some things in the Old Testament.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 21, 2004 - 07:30 AM
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Did you ask yourseleves who has the power over the media? the west does. Have many of you in the *west* tuned to an non west news chanel? probably none,ok did u try any non west news sites on the interent? you only see yr news from yr point of veiw did u consider listening to the other side or u play deaf? there are 2 sides to a story ALWAYS.
There was was a program after 9/11 in the usa where some ppl went around to ask Americans about Islam u know what, they had no idea what it was!! some said its a country,others said its in Africa! ha & they control the media,a bunch of ignorants, try force their culture& religion on everyone & u have the nerve to attack us,ridicule us in movies etc. u judge by appearance & u dont look in depth about the real problem,what about the thousands of muslims killed in cheichna,bosnia,Deer Yassin ...etc. What about the Seikh in India who beleive that in order to cut your hair u have to kill a muslim(heard that before?). i quote qnp *its not Islam that makes people kill,its a lifetime of poverty,racism and brutality that makdrives someone to these means* How about the scandal of Abu Ghereeb prison in Iraq if you were subjected to that kind of degration,humiliation& sexual abuse if u have a chance to pay back wouldnt u seize it?
Be honest with yourself wouldnt u? wouldnt u kill others when u see yr own family murdered infront of yr eyes,yr sisters raped,yr house blown up...this is what happens in Palestine EVERYDAY & u ask why they blow themselves up isn't it clear? did u ever put yr self in their shoes? do u know how it feels to be walking towards yr own death? I dont envy you but the West has many privilages many 3rd world countries dont have,u have a home,job,food,family,social secutiry...etc.
Its not Islam its the people. As muslims we have been colonized for decades but when we stand up for ourselves u tell us u r violent& Islam advocats violence. No its a natural reaction for what was done to us thousands of years.
Read about Islam then judge me.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 24, 2004 - 04:10 AM
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Hey All,
Well Bladerunner you said in your 1st post many examples stating Muslims attacking other persons from other religions but you looked at one side only of the world but you didn't look at what Israel do to Muslims in Palestine, American troops do to Muslims in Iraq, what Russia do to Muslims in Chechnya, what was done to Muslims in Kosovo years before and more and more examples that I can mention you stating that Muslims are also attacked.
These words was said by qnp
"why do people hate the west? why do people hate America? Israel? Christianity? "
people hate America YES, Hate west YES, hate Israel YES but hate Christianity NOOOO.
As a Muslim I will talk to you, Christians all overhistory who live in Arab region or in Islamic countries had and still having equal treatment from Muslims and this is stated in our holy book "Quran" and if you look in Arab countries you will find Muslims living side to side with Christians and having no problems concerning their religions at all, living peacefully.
Islam is a religion of peace that for surething, but there are some people who understand Islam in a wrong way and they act according to this misunderstand and I agree with you "sarsari" saying "ISLAM IS PERFECT... MUSLIMS ARE NOT" coz that we are on now, most of Muslims don't give enough respect to their religion and what are the results people from other places with also misunderstand Islam and wont know well about real Muslims.
then we come to humanbeings themselves, think of a man living anywhere and whatever his religion is, and was attacked with doing anything wrong and his home and his wife was taken away from him, what will be his reaction? will he think of peace? I don't think so, he must attack and defend himself and he wont blamed.
what I meant is that Islam isn't what makes Muslims do anything defending themselves but it is the life itself and what's going on it and if some use Islam as their cover to actions against humanity I myself don't consider them Muslims.
Regards,
Moustafa
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 28, 2004 - 03:10 AM
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bladerunner,
Please tell us if Christianity is to be blamed for WWI, WWII, bombing of Oklahoma, Vietnam war, WACO massacre or killing and rape in Bosnia?.
For God's sake, bladerunner, learn about the religion from its sources then accuse it of whatever you want.
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
September 28, 2004 - 11:06 AM
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Here are some verses from the religion bladerunner and a few others accuse of being "violent" and "vicious". May God have Mercy on our minds!
4:36 Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-
4:135 O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do.
17:23 Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour.
31:14 And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal.
46:15 We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is (a period of) thirty months. At length, when he reaches the age of full strength and attains forty years, he says, "O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly do I bow (to Thee) in Islam."
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Re: Islam is perfect...but muslims are not
October 1, 2004 - 07:14 AM
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Palestine, your verses generally are pretty irrelevant, eh.
WW1 and WW2? What are you talking about? Absolutely not.
Waco Texas, yes.
Oklahama, no.
Vietnam, no.
Bosnia cannot be pinpointed on a single event. It has deep, deep roots. You should know that.
Palestine, like we have discussed before, Religion is one of the worst evils this world has seen.
Like I have also said, we see the Orthodox church persecuting the Russian church in Russia.
So unfortunately, the Christian church is responsible for much darkness in the world. I believe that many of its choices pave the way to Hell. So I am admitting that. I have admitted that.
Satan use the church, because it he can twist the truth and make it look vile, he will. That is why we see such a unfortunate state of Christians.
Regardless, what will you admit, Palestine? Do terrorists that bomb children in the name of Allah go to Heaven where virgins will meet them or will they go to Hell?
Seeing that you are so passionate about this subject. I challenge you to starting a project with me. I will stand against Christian persecution. I will be a voice against it. If you will be a voice against Islamic terrorism.
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