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Michael Dilts
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Why is war made?
July 20, 2002 - 08:43 AM
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Mostly to me war is made because it is profitable.
Where ever there is conflict there is profit, peace has never been a montarily profitable endevor.
War will end if there is nothing to be gained in all reguards and aspects.
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Re: Why is war made?
July 20, 2002 - 07:41 AM
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Space & resources: its disputed past & present and the struggle for its future control. This is what war is all about.
Resources of the land and of course the biggest resource of all, ITs people and the potential wealth of their development for the conquering doctrines holders.
War will always be with us until we (mankind) admit that we all carry (all nations and doctrines)along side us our negative energies hidden within our positive words and ways of life.
War is manifested as a subconscious energy within us or a peoples that is seen as threarening the positive energies of another or other or from those from a different hood'.
No fault of any. Paths differ.
Left Right Right Left Left Right...
Right Right Left Left Left Right...
We all start in the womb, all end up in the grave.
Between for our species, IT is chaos.
Welcome to the matrix of 6.4 billion paths.
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Adelaide Corey-Disch
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Re: Why is war made?
July 20, 2002 - 09:22 AM
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Thats a broad generalization, and many times is not the case. Americas cheesy, ridiculous "War on terrorism" was started as revenge, to get the people who attacked them. They most likely bombed the trade towers because they were radicals, and thought what america represents is frightening and wrong. Syria now occupies(SP?) Lebanon, where my greatgrandmother fled from, because of dreams of a subservient colony thing. Israel occupied it BECAUSE of hopes for a peace agreement. They actually were helping the christian Lebanese that were in the safety zone from the Hizbollah. You can't say wars are started because of 1 thing, and if you had to, maybe you could say greed. Want of more power, illisions of grandeur, the struggle for freedom.... those can all be true...
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Michael Dilts
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I disagree
July 20, 2002 - 11:36 AM
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I disagree. I don't believe that my previous statement was too general. War is just as simple as profit. It is supported by those who are to gain from the action. And it is somtimes created as a result of a history of certain people's oppresion towards others.
Revenge to me isn't even a factor in the equasion. What is the two main factors is mankind's ignorance to stop those who seek to take from ones who are just and true people. As well an ignorance for those who are dying of this.
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Re: Why is war made?
July 21, 2002 - 01:21 AM
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Wars occur because some government feel that they can 'profit' from it. Some wars occur because governments feel that they are forced into them. And sometimes no-one can explain why wars occur......
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well...
July 21, 2002 - 03:53 AM
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In my opinion, war is profitable so long as it is sustainable.
The statement that war exists because it is profitable is, I feel, just a consequence of what drives most of the worlds economies - self interest.
In a detached, inhuman way, profitability from war is created by the fact that nearly anyone is willing to act for self-interest, and therefore many of the worlds leading nations have no problem gathering profit from something as destructive as a war.
It is sad, inhuman, and abhorrent, but at the end of the day it is how things are.
The fact that people are dying, and are becoming caught in the cycle of violence, is irrelevant - to them.
It is up to us to stop it. Somehow.
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Re: Why is war made?
July 21, 2002 - 05:44 AM
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War, is long run profitable, maybe this is true. But are we, the people of these countries waging wars so immoral to accept such an unethical reosort to violence?
The truth is, we wage wars, because we are blinded by what we think is THE TRUTH. We see the picture in black and white, and fail to give it colour.
The public is dominated by the media, which is, even in the most liberal countries, is dominated by the state, and the MNC's. These, try to direct us to endorsing their concerns as ours.
We see our side as right, and the enemy as wrong. Hence, it is easier to kill for we are defending the highest moral codes in our fight.
It is difficult to see in colours. Because even your own community would not allow you to do so.
However, in Palestine, to site an example from personal experience, I know were my side is wrong. I understand the claims of the other side, I might not agree with them all, but I learn that the rage the boils inside me when my city is seiged, or is under curfew, as it is at this very moment, or when it is attacked by F16's... should be transformed into some sort of energy to let people know what I stand for.
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Re: Why is war made?
July 21, 2002 - 06:05 AM
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strange, no sooner as i finished my first entry I noticed one by Adeclaire that prove my point. Adeclaire states that Israel has waged war in lebanon for peace. Let alone, the idea that this is not a valid argument to stop violence with harsher violence. speaking from my involvment in the conflict... I paint Adeclaire's picture with my colours...
Although Israel's war in lebanon was codenamed "peace for the galilee" this is not what it was. at teh start of that war, the current PM of Israel Ariel Sharon led an army to the heart of the Lebanese capital, to make sure a 'friendly' figure is put as president. in the process, his Christian allies used the protection he offered them to slaughter 2500 Palestinians in Sabra and Chatilla. Bush's "man of peace", sharon, was found responsible for this massacare by an Israeli investigation committee.
This war which was meant as military operation, lasted for 20 years, and Hizbolah which Adeclaire cosiders terrorists were mere fighters for the freedom of their country.
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Nedalz...
July 21, 2002 - 11:15 AM
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Great to have you on board.
It'd be fantastic to hear more of your experiences. Perhaps you could write an article about your own cultural experiences for this months ezine?
Love to hear from you.
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Re: Why is war made?
July 22, 2002 - 08:34 AM
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Thanks for the welcomming message pred. I 'll think about the article. but as u know I am new here... how should i get it to u?
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lebanon - beirut
July 30, 2002 - 01:37 AM
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I'd just like to add, in regards to the war in Lebanon (1982), that if all this was about Peace, against Hezbollah and PLO only: then why what was referred to as 'healthy bombing' led to 18 000 dead in Beirut, and to Sabra and Shatila?
from 'ABOUT THE SOFT AND THE DELICATE'
(Interview with Ariel Sharon published in the Israeli daily Davar Dec. 17, 1982)
"Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don't care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the so-called civilised world.
"We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed the bullshit talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance." http://www.iap.org/sharonisvile.htm
Robert Fisk:
'Let's forget Sabra and Shatila for the moment and remember that on a green light from Secretary of State Alexander Haig, as he then was, Israel invaded Lebanon and in the bloody months of July and August, around 17,500 people, almost all of them civilians - this is almost three [six] times the number killed in the World Trade Center - were killed. And there were no candlelight vigils in the United States, no outspoken grief, all that happened was a State Department call to both sides to exercise restraint.
Now, it isn't a question of moral relativism, it isn't a question in any way of demeaning or reducing the atrocity which happened - let's call it a crime against humanity which it clearly was - is it possible then to say well, 17,500 lives, but that was in a war and it was far away and anyway they were Arabs which is the only way I can see you dismiss the argument that, hang on a minute, terrible things have happened out here too. That does not excuse what happened in the United States. It doesn't justify by a tiny millimetre anything that happened there but we've got to see history, even the recent history of this region if we are going to look seriously at what happened in the United States.'
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Nedalz...
August 3, 2002 - 05:18 AM
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Nedalz..
You should look under the expression header at the top of the page, and click the link that says 'Articles - Submit.' The page there will walk you through everything you need to know.
Feel free to contact me again if you need any help.
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The spoils of War
August 19, 2002 - 02:56 AM
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It is clear that here we all understand that War is waged for the profit of those who wage and/or finance it. the profit can be land, recorces, money, and power. War is alos waged for revenge and hatred, these can be seens as emotonal profit. The bussness of War generate billions of dollars a year for the United States alone in arms sales to states and factions within states.
In the nuclear age open War between tow states armed with nuclear weapons War has become unprofitable due to extreme expense of both the weapons and the damage they cause. Because if is unprofitable we are yet to see an open War between two nuclear powers (India and Pakistan nearly changed that), and thus the theory that War is waged based on profit is supported.
In 1990 Iraq invaded Kuwait in order gain profit from Kuwati oil and thus repay the debt from its nine year War with Iran. The clear objective from the invasion was profit. The action proved more costly than profitable to Iraq, however the posbile profits from the War were clearly enough to entice the invasion. Thus because war was percived to be more profitable than costly it was waged.
War is the most profitable action a state can undertake. because of this, war will continue to be waged until
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