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David Martin
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 23, 2004 - 03:25 AM
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sex can be as safe as anything else in this world. As safe as a handshake with a new friend. As safe as walking to your mailbox to get the mail. As safe as swinging on a swingset.
HOWEVER....know your facts. know your partner. And there should be only one. Ever. Period. If it is your faith that gives you the will power to have one partner, thats great. If it is simply only wanting to experience one of the greatest things in the world with one person thats great too. Whatever your motive, you should only be motivated to have sex with one person in your life.
Know thy self! Are you really ready to have sex? Sure you are physically capable. You desire the pleasure. Society tells you its exceptable. But are you really ready?
Are you willing to except that consequences if things don't turn out like you planned? Are you sure your partner is STD free? You do realize sex is where babies come from, don't you? Are you ready to have a child? Are you ready to care for another life if you create a child? Are you financially ready to buy clothes, diapers, baby food, car seats, pay for doctors, nurses, and medicine? Are you ready to buy condoms without being embarrassed at the cash register? Are you willing to discuss this with your partner? Are you willing to give up the dreams you have for yourself for a few minutes of pleasure? Are you ready to die? Are you 100% sure that your partner is ready for all those things?
I think its crystal clear what the RIGHT answer is to all these questions. And if you are ready for all those things then maybe, maybe you are ready for sex. But let me ask you one more question:
Is sex really worth all the negative, and bad things that could happen to your life?
Thinking about sex and having sex are two completely different things. Its human nature to think about sex. That is what we were designed to do, go forth and multiply. We all think about it, and we all desire it. Bottom line is that is comes down to will power. Will you be the next victim of HIV/AIDS? Will you be the next high school dropout because of a teenage pregnancy?
Again...KNOW THY SELF!!!
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 23, 2004 - 12:51 PM
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I had a similar discuassion with a couple of friends. I think the question to ask is not "How safe is safe sex?" but "Should we be having sex at all?" (Assuming we are not all married). My society does not approve of premarital sex from both the Christian perspective and the traditional customs perspective. Besides, it may sound like a cliche but I believe in saving that first sexual experience for the honeymoon. What do you think?
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Breakfast, Lunch & Supper
December 24, 2004 - 07:49 AM
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My country is denominantly traditional and christian beliefs and premarital sex is generally viewed as unacceptable. Ironically Zimbabwe has one of the highest prevalences of HIV/AIDS. I used to believe that there is no direct relationship between the media (TVs, movies) and sexual acttvity. However I have had to recently change that opinion because of the increased premarital sexual activity going on. I have friends having sex left right and centre like its normal as having breakfast lunch and supper. Its so bad no one believes that virgins still exist. We know whats killing us but we choose to turn a blind eye when we are "in for a good time". The attittude is "it will never happen to me. HIV/AIDS is only for hookers and homosexuals."
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 24, 2004 - 08:00 AM
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well i think faithful is no way can ascertain you safe sex, mahatma was right in saying that the best is to absatin form having sex..
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David Martin
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lets be realistic
December 27, 2004 - 01:01 AM
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i can speak only for the culture of young adults in america by saying this, and that is that young people are NOT going to abstain from sex. Why not teach them effective contraception and STD preventing methods for when they do decide to have sex.
Preaching abstinence may be fine if EVERYONE in your country, town, or household is a firm believer in christian values, but preaching to someone who doens't want to be preached to will not achieve the preacher's desired results.
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 27, 2004 - 01:12 AM
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dwm376s -
i agree 100%.
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Give up
December 27, 2004 - 04:24 AM
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I understand where you are coming from, but does that mean we give up? Are we saying we have lost the "Abstinence battle" so we are trying our chances at the "Condom battle"?
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Say No to CONDOM
December 28, 2004 - 02:26 AM
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Safe sex is Abstinence, Faithfulness and not the use of Condom. Manmade items no matter the checks on them and how perfect we envisage them to be could be detrimental. Imperfect is always imperfect and can never be perfect
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 28, 2004 - 02:32 AM
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freddya-
There is no battle. Abstinence never had a chance and never will. Human beings are innately programmed to have sex and procreate, it is biochemical, psychological, and completely natural.
No campaign,no matter how large and powerful will ever make a lasting impact if its premise is abstinence. I am not saying that abstinence is not virtuous, because it is. But "REALISTICALLY" people, especially young people will have sex.
If there is to be a campaign to educate the young adults of this world, let us educate them about the risks of disease, the risk of pregnancy, and contraception. After these things have been brought to the table I think one can then discuss abstaining until the right person comes along, otherwise why abstain if there are no consequences.
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 28, 2004 - 03:07 AM
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QUOTE: "There is no battle. Abstinence never had a chance and never will. Human beings are innately programmed to have sex and procreate, it is biochemical, psychological, and completely natural."
I tend to agree.
The human race is HOW many tens of thousands of years old?
We didn't have antibiotics until fifty years ago. Before that, almost ANY sexually transmitted disease was a potential death sentence... a recipe for a slow, hideous, tormented death (my great-grandfather died of syphilis; my great uncle was born blind and mentally handicapped because my g-grandfather unknowingly infected his wife with the disease while she was pregnant).
Throughout most of history, unwed pregnant women have been scorned, shunned, disowned by their families and exiled from their communities, physically abused in some cases, imprisoned, enslaved, or even in extreme cases put to death.
None of these risks or consequences (most of which are far more dire than what we face today) have EVER stopped ANYBODY, in the entire history of the world, from having sex.
It is simply what we were born to do.
Abstinence is unrealistic. It hasn't ever worked, even in the face of enormous threats.
My feeling is, safer-sex education (not "safe sex" because no sex is safe, and we mustn't mislead our children into believing it is) is the only way.
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Driving recklessly!!!
December 29, 2004 - 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by dwm376s
No campaign,no matter how large and powerful will ever make a lasting impact if its premise is abstinence. I am not saying that abstinence is not virtuous, because it is. But "REALISTICALLY" people, especially young people will have sex.
If there is to be a campaign to educate the young adults of this world, let us educate them about the risks of disease, the risk of pregnancy, and contraception. After these things have been brought to the table I think one can then discuss abstaining until the right person comes along, otherwise why abstain if there are no consequences.
I totally agree with you, maybe an abstinence campaign will not have as many fruitful results. However I still think that a safe sex campaign is not the solution at all. Its like saying "Dont drive recklessly, but when you decide to, wear a seat belt!"
I was, now passively, involved with an organisation that focused more on behaviour change rather than just hammering "You should abstain". Basically it the program equips young people with life skills, not just "What is AIDS?" and "How can you prevent it". Rather it equipped them with skills so that they can make a better and most importantly INFORMED DECISION on every social aspect include sexual activity. More like "When you drink, dont drive at all, when you cant drive, go to driving school", tackling the root cause!
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David Martin
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 30, 2004 - 02:36 AM
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well put freddya
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December 30, 2004 - 03:41 AM
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Thanx. I'm jus' passionate about these issues. What pains me, especially in country is that HIV/AIDS isnt a new thing. Everyone knows about it. But we still engage in risky behaviour. I have failed to understand the reasons. I used to think its about insecurity and they do it to get a rich guy. But even the wealthy girls do it as well. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying its girls to blame. I am just exposing a small facet of the the bigger picture. How is it in your community?
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Disipline.~
December 30, 2004 - 10:35 AM
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It is all about discipline. Abstinence?Disicpline.Control your urge to spurt the semen out. Control your horniness. For women who are literate and smart,control your desire to earn more money.For those who are trap, it is time for people like us, to help them out.
To be honest, I do not have desire to have sex. I tried, but sex does not give me pleasure. Strange but true. I want to help reduce HIV/AIDS.This is my first step, as a student.
Tomato
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Re: Read what the Pope said
December 31, 2004 - 06:56 AM
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Freddya, quote: "But we still engage in risky behaviour. I have failed to understand the reasons. I used to think its about insecurity and they do it to get a rich guy. But even the wealthy girls do it as well. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying its girls to blame."
Despite your disclaimer, it seems as if you ARE saying exactly that, or at least implying it.
I realize that we come from two different cultures, but it still pains me to read such views.
If the situation in your country is so dire that women routinely feel they have to exchange sex for financial security, then I would say the entire CULTURE is "to blame", if anybody is.
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