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Ray Ovac
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Evil Americans at it again
July 23, 2004 - 07:20 AM
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A new story tonight in the local news from Cleveland (where I live) mentioned the completion of this "mission" / "operation", these links provide information about the earlier progress about 7 months ago.
The facilities where this was done are very near my home, I have been providing support to this operation for years now but had no idea that my money was going to help this specific mission out.
I'll let everyone else judge if my money was well spent.
http://www.fairviewhospital.org/news/20031231.php
http://www.mercyships.org/News/News.cfm?ID=439&c=11
PS - Read the actual events that "triggered" the need for this....I'll also leave it up to everyone to figure out who is to blame.
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
July 25, 2004 - 12:26 PM
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A link to the news station article on this story:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=21127
I'm so glad to see these little guys smiling, I hope that some day they can come back as well!
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
July 25, 2004 - 12:34 PM
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Another story that clarifies the history of the family and who is responsible for laying the mines.
http://www.sunnews.com/news/2004/part1/0122/WIRAQIS.htm
Health care workers help heal the wounds of war
By KEN PRENDERGAST
Staff Writer
Jan. 22, 2004
Honar Arif Said has a recurring nightmare. In it, the 6-year-old boy is blasted several feet into the air and, while airborne, sees one of his arms flying off to land in a nearby tree.
The nightmare is somewhere between his imagination and a repressed memory. For, each time he wakes up from the horrible dream, his left arm still is gone, his body still is on the mend and his younger brother Omed still is scarred.
As awful as the nightmare was and is, only the dream of free medical care in the United States might make it go away.
But dreams can come true.
In the late 1980s, their mother, Medina Ismail Isa, now 36, and her husband of 23 years, Arif Said Ahmed, had a different nightmare to face. That's because they were Kurdish people living in Iraq. Then-Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein ordered his troops to attack the Kurds with chemical weapons in an attempt at ethnic cleansing. Tens of thousands of Kurds were killed, according to some estimates. The family fled to neighboring Turkey for safety.
After the first Gulf War, in 1991, the United Nations established a no-fly zone over the Kurdish territories in northern Iraq to protect them from reprisals by Hussein's air force.
Like many other Kurds, the family members returned to their home in Dahok, hoping to safely raise their children, eventually numbering 10. But Hussein's military still was able to operate on the ground to fight the Kurds, including burying countless land mines
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
July 25, 2004 - 12:42 PM
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Here is a link to a .pdf file for a Tennessee newspaper with a front page story and a photo of one of the boys and his mother.
http://www.tennessean.com/frontpagepdf/front_page_02192004.pdf
here is the wonderful photo!
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
July 29, 2004 - 03:16 AM
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This is great work. There should be more people like that. And we should hear more of such stories. It is needed that we are compassionate and understandable to eachother.
Panem et circenses !
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
July 29, 2004 - 12:56 PM
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just wanted to get the name out of another group that provides medical relief to countries who have had their infrastructures damaged by US foreign policies. www.disarm.org is their website, and they send doctors and supplies to countries like cuba and nicaragua, while also organizing political pressure on the US government to change foreign military and economic policy. Sorry about the plug, but I had met some of their doctors in Cuba a few years ago, and only found their website and information last night, so I'm excited about their work all over again.
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
July 30, 2004 - 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by colinrj
just wanted to get the name out of another group that provides medical relief to countries who have had their infrastructures damaged by US foreign policies. www.disarm.org is their website, and they send doctors and supplies to countries like cuba and nicaragua, while also organizing political pressure on the US government to change foreign military and economic policy. Sorry about the plug, but I had met some of their doctors in Cuba a few years ago, and only found their website and information last night, so I'm excited about their work all over again.
I think that any human services aid is good, no matter how it is delivered...
however, to me the best way is when there are no political "strings attached". What if, for example, the recipient of the aid is from a country like Iraq but believes that US action there was justified? Perhaps they would not feel right about accepting aid from such an organization as they may feel that by doing so they are acting as a "poster child" for a political stance that they neither support nor believe in. In this case, nobody wins because putting someone in a position to refuse aid is nearly as bad as not providing it at all.
Still, just offering it and knowing that there will likely always be *someone* who will need and use it is never a bad thing.
Doctors Without Borders, I believe, is non - political...I would like to learn more about that organization.
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August 2, 2004 - 10:04 AM
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certainly unconditional aid is better than qualified aid, but perhaps I inaccurately mistated the aims of DISARM. They started as a political lobby group for US gun control(hence the name), and after they passed the initial piece of legislature they wanted to get through they decided to keep their group together and change their objectives to US foreign policy. The expansion of their group into medical relief was an offshoot of their initial political aim.
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Re: Evil Americans at it again
August 10, 2004 - 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by colinrj
certainly unconditional aid is better than qualified aid, but perhaps I inaccurately mistated the aims of DISARM. They started as a political lobby group for US gun control(hence the name), and after they passed the initial piece of legislature they wanted to get through they decided to keep their group together and change their objectives to US foreign policy. The expansion of their group into medical relief was an offshoot of their initial political aim.
Ahh, I see. Sounds like a great organization!
The more help there is out there, the better!!
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The mystery behind Ray Ovac
August 12, 2004 - 01:41 AM
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The posts in this discussion have been both thoughtful and thought-provoking. As I keep encountering the posts of Ray Ovac and begin to appreciate them more as a I get a better feel for the scope of his thinking I find myself increasingly curious. I see more than 40 countries listed in his profile, but not much else. Was surprised he hadn't been to Brazil but, hey, he's covered more territory than anyone else I know. Would like to know more.
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The mystery behind Ray Ovac
August 17, 2004 - 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by pwagner
The posts in this discussion have been both thoughtful and thought-provoking. As I keep encountering the posts of Ray Ovac and begin to appreciate them more as a I get a better feel for the scope of his thinking I find myself increasingly curious. I see more than 40 countries listed in his profile, but not much else. Was surprised he hadn't been to Brazil but, hey, he's covered more territory than anyone else I know. Would like to know more.
Phillip:
Thanks for the compliments! I'm really not all that mysterious, but I suppose in such a forum just about anybody would appear to be so.
I have visited many countries simply touring (mostly in the Americas) and many others on business (Europe and Eastern Asia mostly). When you add up all of the small island nations in the Carribean and Western Atlantic that many Americans visit casually it starts to seem like a lot.
I do spend a lot of time overseas, though, as a part of my job. I work for a global corporation and have spent the last 4 years working to grow specific products in Asia and Europe.
I would love to visit Brazil but have not yet had a chance. I will be spending some time next week in Tokyo where our new VP there has just returned from a 3 year assignment in Brazil...perhaps I can convince him that a week of "wrap up" support is needed from me.
As I've said many times, I still always look forward to the first sight of land in the Americas that I see when I return home. I like to visit other places, but home is home.
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