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Eric
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 12, 2004 - 08:19 AM
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i suck at HTML sry.
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Teresa
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 17, 2004 - 01:48 AM
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You know, let me say this first and foremost, I am a christian...I also attend a baptist university. But, I have been amazed at how many people want to bring in the religious aspect of why homosexuality is wrong. Yes I do believe in God and his laws, but I also believe in humanity and respect for others. Would I be interested in a same sex partner? No, I would not..I am happily married to my husband...but because it is not something I would want to pursue does not mean that it is not something that is right for someone else. I do believe it go ways deeper than just sexual relations with someone of the same sex, there is an emotional level they come to when they realize this is what they are. I have a friend who has struggled for years when he realized he was not attracted to women and how it would affect his career. This for most people is not just something that they wake up one morning and say I want this...this is something that they come to and realize this is the only thing that will complete them. Do I believe they should be able to get married? I am not a 100% sure yet, but I do most definitely believe they should have every single partnership benefit that every married couple receives. But what I would hate to see is the federal govt. regulate this...the states have always been able to handle these kind of issues and I think they should be able to remain too. Just my two cents for what it is worth.
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John Proctor
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 17, 2004 - 02:34 AM
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I don't think we know why there are gay and lesbians (and bisexual people). I believe (and certinally based on my own experience) that people do not choose to be gay. Even today growing up as being gay, lesbian or bisexual in the UK is very difficult. Society still has trouble accepting people who are "different". In many countries it is worse than difficult, many people still lack basic human rights and face imprisionment or torture because of who they love.
It always dissapoints me how quickly debates about sexuailty turn to sex. First and foremost is the issue of love. Having sex with men doesn't make me gay, it could just be testing the waters or messing around, or even just having sex. For me it is an emotional connection with another guy which makes me gay.
The reason gay marridge comes up so often is that gay and lesbian people who have been in a loving relationship a long time want their realtionships to be respected and validated by society.
John
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Danny Sweeney
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 17, 2004 - 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by MeatIsMurder
so will all gay marriages fail because god dosent like them?
thats not what i'm saying at all - it was in responce to the claim that marriage is just a legal thing and nothing more.
I know that somewhere there is a vatican document that states that people who are homosexual must be treated with respect and should not be discriminated against.
I certianly don't think that God hates you in any way, shape or form - and i'm sorry that you felt the need to leave the church because of it.
I do know that in america there is a group of people who are openly gay but at the same time are practicing Catholics - i'll try to find the web address for you if you like.
(IM about this if you want to.)
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Teresa
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 17, 2004 - 10:25 AM
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bikedemon- I do not believe its just about sex at all. There has to be more to it than that for most to be able to stand the scrutiny they will come up against. For most from what I understand, there is more to it. Then there are those that it doesnt matter what your sexual preference is, they are just there for the sex. But I believe those are fewer and farther in between.
The only thing else I know to say is I would like to believe in the fact that we are all Gods children and he loves us anyways. I know there will be a lot of those willing to fight it, but for those of us that believe God created each and every one of us, he knew what we would do. God can give you a plan, but he still gave us willpower and freedom of choice. Those that want to participate with same-sex partners, it is completely their choice and they will answer to whatever higher authority they believe in; but you cannot help who you love or want to spend time with.
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Eric
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 19, 2004 - 01:59 AM
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Lone-Wolf:
sry if i was an asshole. i was pissed off reading some hateful stuff on other message boards and my anger caried over here. sry. and thanx for the info on the gay catholic thing but im not realy open about it anywhere except here. thanx tho. eric
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Danny Sweeney
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
October 19, 2004 - 06:34 AM
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I know this is easy for me to say - but you should be.
Never be ashamed of what you are and what you believe in. If the people around you are worth knowing then they will accept you exactly the wya you are and for who you are.
I'm from Manchester a part of out city is officially called the 'Gay Village' - it's a area of gay bars, and other things - not everyone who goes there is gay - i know i'm not. This is in the centre of North England - where rightwing hatred is a growing problem.
People are alot more open to things like this then they used to be.
Never be ashamed of who you are.
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
November 29, 2004 - 07:02 AM
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Eeman, I agree with you so much. God's creation can be compared to nature, because both are perfect, So i think your decriptions are very accurate.
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Kerr
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
January 5, 2005 - 09:37 AM
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Research has shown that homosexual men appear to have similar features in their brains as females do.
I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with same sex marriages.
If a man and a women can love eachother why cant a women and a women love eachother.
Homosexuallity is always seen as a sexual thing.Its not all physical. It disturbing the amount of people that thing homosexuality is about sex.
Heter or homo...we all feel the same...love the same...hurt the same...and need many similar things.
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salam
January 6, 2005 - 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by MeatIsMurder
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lone-Wolf Marriage is alot more than just a legal contract.
It's a promise made before God to commit yourselves totally to another person for the rest of your life.
so will all gay marriages fail because god dosent like them? 50% of straight marriages fail... and god cant be brought into this because [in this world] marriage is part of law not religion. so the question shouldnt be "is gay marriage moral or right" but "is it lawful". is banning inter-racial or inter-religious marriage lawful? i think this falls along the same lines.
P.s. i was raised Catholic[one of 1.2B]and i want suicidal when i found out i was gay b/c i was so convinced that i was and "abomination agaist god & nature". im agnostic now b/c i dont think i want to believe in a god who hates me.[/B][/QUOTE]
well
god dont hate human nature..
however he has created this world and has the right
to set rools for his creation
he has order humans not to acct against his law, which
he has sent through his messangers...
homosextuality is act against his order,
humans are diffrentiated from animals because they act
on rules by which this universe is made.
there are manny activeties done by animals which
which humans dont like if pigs do (gay)and u consider
it natural then dogs eat their own new born babies
u should also consider it natural.and not blame humans for eating there new borns and consider it natural
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nlsmlla
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
January 6, 2005 - 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by Kerr
Research has shown that homosexual men appear to have similar features in their brains as females do.
I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with same sex marriages.
If a man and a women can love eachother why cant a women and a women love eachother.
Homosexuallity is always seen as a sexual thing.Its not all physical. It disturbing the amount of people that thing homosexuality is about sex.
Heter or homo...we all feel the same...love the same...hurt the same...and need many similar things.
there are many things that we cant understand
the knowledge of mankind is still very limit
he cant even know how the spirit (rouh) goes from a heavenly boddy
so if got says it not good then how can one,
with such limited know ledge say that it is
not bad
and how can u say that tow same sex possecer will
lead happeir life then a man and a woman
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Danny Sweeney
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
January 6, 2005 - 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by zarrinmaani
God's creation can be compared to nature, because both are perfect,
I think there are many thousands of people who may disagree with that considering that a disaster in 'nature' killed so many people in Thailand, India and the other areas hit by the tsunami.
Nature is not perfect only God is perfect - we all have our flaws and faults - and nothing that we do is perfect.
I was told about the beautiful rugs and tapestaries that are found in mosques - apparantly they all have some small tiny flaw since only God is perfect (can one of TIG muslim members confir this for me?)
Like i was saying - we all have our faults and flaws but homosexuality is not one of them. If that is what God wants from a person then that is what they are - and it is not for any of you to judge them.
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Kerr
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well said
January 6, 2005 - 07:45 AM
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Lone wolf...I think that was wonderfully said!!!
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January 6, 2005 - 12:15 PM
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David Martin
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Re: Gay guinee pigs
January 7, 2005 - 02:06 AM
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Give me three examples of fashion in the animal kingdom....
1. Decorator Crab, Loxorhynchus crispatus
2. Red Kite, Milvus milvus
3. Marsh Hawk, Circus cyaneus
..just had to throw that out there. Plus there are actually a lot more. These three all decorate themselves in a anthropomorphic way.
This whole topic and discussion has got some very silly and juvenile remarks in it. Not all of them, just some. Honestly this thread should have ended when martin83
posted. He summed it up perfectly.
I must say I am a Christian and while I don't agree with homosexuality and I'm not sure that a homosexual will end up in "my heaven" thats not for me to decide. Those of you who are "bible thumping" on her, should remember "thou shall not judge..." if you are a true Christian you have your own sins to worry about.
While I do believe that some people truely born as homosexuals I believe there is a small percentage in the homosexual community that have chosen this lifestyle, for whatever reason (social, psychological, whatever). I also believe like martin83 said some may engage in a homosexual act for nothing more than extreme sexual frustration. I'm sure we've all heard the famous prison phrase "don't drop the soap!"
Bottom Line: live and let live!
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