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HIGHER education
July 8, 2004 - 02:11 AM
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I'm not posing this question because I'm anti-University but rather I'm curious to know what each individual believes the purpose of University level or for that matter secondary education to be.
There's this institute in Colombia that encourages and trains the students that go through programs to become more outward focussed, meaning that when you graduate your thoughts are on how to make this world better...versus where can I find the best paying job.
What are your motivations?
-Ruben
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Re: HIGHER education
July 9, 2004 - 11:11 AM
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dear Ruben,
For me the university is a place to create technical capacity in someone, a how-to-do-things toolbox. The place you should receive a focus on the society, community and personal development comes before university and should not be restricted to the high-trained individuals and not even should be restricted to school.
The wrong process in my point of view is that basic education has the main purpose: to prepare someone to join university and then be prepared to get the best paying job.
regards,
augusto=--=---=
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why higher education
August 3, 2004 - 11:40 AM
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I feel that higher education gives the individual the opporuntity to seriously focus and learn about a subject that may be truly important to him or her.
Higher education also teaches the individual how to be more disciplined and responsible by putting them into situations whereby they are forced to organize themselves if they intend to do well. These individuals learn about the importance of dedication and hard work that is required if a goal has to be met and something significant is to be acheived.
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Re: HIGHER education
August 7, 2004 - 01:19 AM
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I think higher education is important only if it helps prepare the person for the real world.I don't know about the rest of the world,but in Egypt universities tend to be more concerned with the students' ability to memorize theories than by their ability to practically apply them in the real world.Since this perspective of education is obsolete or should be and results in unqualified candidates for today's types of jobs , the unemployment rate is on the rise. I think higher education in today's knowledge driven global society should concentrate more on equipping students with problem solving , analytical,teamwork and learning skills,etc... I also think that not everyone should pursue higher education which is another problem we have in Egypt. This problem has lead to university lecture rooms be crammed with students such that personal attention from professors , class discussions etc...have become almost impossible and absenteeism rates are high.The result is hundreds of thousands of unqualified students being churned out of the Egyptian education system each year, many of which join the already huge number of unemployed people.
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Re: HIGHER education
September 18, 2004 - 06:09 AM
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you can't get a job without a higher education! it's simple! or you can be a cleaner! nowadays even with university it is hard to find a job (at least well paied job)
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Re: HIGHER education
September 20, 2004 - 01:43 AM
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Good point Palestinian. Actually the two sharpest network engineers I have worked with didn't have IT degrees (one picked one up later). They were home or military trained mostly. In the US a college degree, in some cases, isn't so much about getting a job, but having the ability to move up and be promoted to management or even CEO. My grandfather owned several business in his life but never stepped foot in a college classroom. It is much harder to do that these days though!
I believe that many universities go overboard with "liberal arts" classes that are required. I can accept History or English but I had to take a course called "Positive Living" that was a regusgitation of my high school health class! Imagine me at age 22 having to be instucted on how to keep myself clean and not smoke! And having to PAY for it! ; )
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Re: HIGHER education
September 20, 2004 - 04:11 AM
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I remember a story about a Japanese student who was once preparing for his doctorate degree to create a car engine in the US along time ago when the Japanese industrial giant was not born yet. He was able to create the engine before earning the degree. Do you know what he did later?. He left immediately to Japan saying the doctorate degree was not needed after he accomplished his dream of creating the engine for his country.
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Re: HIGHER education
September 25, 2004 - 05:26 AM
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i go to university to learn!
u dont necessarily need this kind of an institution to gain your knowledge but often u need it as a proof for it.
though it is not fair: no matter what u r capaple of doing, people will look at u diferently as soon as u have a degree in front of ur name. :-(
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Re: HIGHER education
October 29, 2004 - 05:31 AM
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This is a great discussion, I'm really happy how everyone is responding to this post.
As a university graduate I understand the process of education as well as its necessity in order to get a decent job. Like most others, I realize that getting a good job is the motivating factor for attending school. Now, would that be the same as saying that serving humanity is our motivating factor...that we serve society through our jobs. I was thinking about this, when I was in school it was all about me...and with tuition prices, rightfully so to some extent...but what might it look like if we, as individuals, placed the service to humanity as the motivating factor ahead of which job I can get. I wonder how much of a difference that would make in our society and how it would look.
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Re: HIGHER education
October 29, 2004 - 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Dinamfl
in Egypt universities tend to be more concerned with the students' ability to memorize theories than by their ability to practically apply them in the real world.
This statement is entirely true. And as a result of this nascent crisis, university students in Egypt have lost their aim or their actual part in life. I've seen students in other parts of the world who are so eager to finish college to start their career-line. In Egypt this spirit is rarely felt and it's such a pity because Egyptians a VERY long time ago were the rulers of the world. I'm not sure what happened but it has lead to Egypt's low rank in
science and technology.
I don't want to degrade Egyptians in any way by posting this message, I'm an Egyptain myself and I'm just trying to stress on this particular point because it's causing great damage to the Egyptian Education.
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HIGHER education
October 29, 2004 - 12:17 PM
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higher education, as your phrase implies, is to achieve a higher level of knowledge in your desired profession. for most of us, our desired profession IS determined by what higher or university level education we get. i cant believe some people actually question the need for this or the importance of such a thing. and its not just the grades, but the experience as well. in college, we learn to be more mature and deal with others professionally. i guess all u have to is take a university graduate and a non university graduate. you'll see your answer by observation.
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colleges or universities
October 30, 2004 - 03:15 AM
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i cant explain te concept of higher education esp.the universities becos sincerely it is expensive and more over sometimes it doesnt attack what an individual really wants tostudy for example,if i am fascinated about the the human brain,are u saying i should study the whole of medicine b4 i get to know bout the human brain?
the university is expensive and a lot of people want to further thier education by going into a higher education..
i think colleges should be created instead of higher institutions.
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Re: HIGHER education
October 30, 2004 - 12:57 PM
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I think University education is necssary to enhance one's bank of knowledge..I am frm nepal and here it's quite different because people only tend to study science n commerce... people think arts is subject for those students who cannot study n are dull..
I preffered to study arts because i love literature..
there are no good university for arts..
there is only 1 university here in the whole country tat too is not quite rcognised outside..
So i feel very bad that even when i want to study so much there aren't much resources ..
so every body here leaves abroad to study but then they too go to study only science n commerce.. nobody truely knows the valu of arts here ...since education is highly influenced by politics here...
so in ma view education is ncessary to lead a more civilized life..or else we'd be in the stone age!!
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October 30, 2004 - 12:58 PM
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I think University education is necssary to enhance one's bank of knowledge..I am frm nepal and here it's quite different because people only tend to study science n commerce... people think arts is subject for those students who cannot study n are dull..
I preffered to study arts because i love literature..
there are no good university for arts..
there is only 1 university here in the whole country tat too is not quite rcognised outside..
So i feel very bad that even when i want to study so much there aren't much resources ..
so every body here leaves abroad to study but then they too go to study only science n commerce.. nobody truely knows the valu of arts here ...since education is highly influenced by politics here...
so in ma view education is ncessary to lead a more civilized life..or else we'd be in the stone age!!
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