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Luke Lieberman
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D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 05:07 AM
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60 years ago today America sacrificed 6,603 young souls to storm the Beach at Normandy.
And change the fate of the world.
I have more respect for those guys than anyone I can think of - it took guts, it took courage - they took back Europe from Nazi facism.
The Germans were fortified up and down a cliff laden coastline that provided them the high ground from which to fire.
But the Americans had the Do-shin - the way of the heart - the greater will. And they were after all on the side of justice.
As one D-Day vet put it "we were fighting people who put other people into ovens."
Their sacrifice is something I think everyone should be greatful for - I am. I am greatful that that freedom won. I am greatful that Nazism is no longer a force in this world.
Normandy was the first step in taking back Europe from the evil tyranny of Hitler.
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Re: D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 01:42 AM
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My grandfather was forcibly recruited into german Wehrmacht. He was stationed inside Normandy and he fought as a machinegunner. Today he says war is the biggest mistake human can do. He says Bush is same as Hitler. Same bad brain and violent nature
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Re: D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 01:54 AM
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Yes Scsazak,
It was the fact that the Nazis were trying to build a bomb that convinced Einstien (one of those former German Jews) of the need to write Ike and speak of the need for America to build one first.
Actually as the story goes it was because the Nazis had gotten their hands on one great scientist and Einstein and others realized that they guy was capable of develping a bomb.
This scientist was a friend of Einstein, Planc, Neils Bohr - they all knew one another - his name was Heisenberg - and created the what is known in Quantum mechanics as the "Hiesenberg uncertainty principal".
As it tuns out though - the Hiesenberg had no intention of building the Nazis a nuclear divice - he was sabotaging the Nazis bomb project - you see the Math was so complicated that the SS officers never really understood what the hell he was doing.
It is amazing how much you can effect the outcome if you shift a decimal place here, and perhaps divide when you are supposed to multiply there - know what I mean.
But in the meantime the Manhattan project here succeeded.
And Lone-wolf - you are of course correct - I don't mean to minnimize the sacrifice of the British, Canadians - and the brave French resistance that worked with US & British special forces to sabotage the Germans in advance of D-Day. Nor the brave Jewish soldiers who bodies are marked with a Star of David on that field.
Also, I hope that this day will turn over a new leaf in American/French relations - our countries are really very old friends - The French were Americas first friend, and helped up win our war on Independance. Obviously on D-day many Americans sacrificed their lives to liberate France from the yoke of Nazi oppression.
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Re: D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 05:22 AM
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Not forgetting all the british people who were there and all the canadians and others who fought for our freedom.
My grandfather was a para at Pegesus Bridge - we went there a few years ago - it's strange to think that for some people it is still a memory not part of history. We also went to the beaches - there are still parts of the landing platforms in place.
I wish that Nazism were dead -but it seems that it is growing again in England, far right parties, slowly gaining power over time - -sound familiar?
I'm a pacifist and agianst war - but it seems that opposing people like the BNP is continuing that fight which started 60 years ago.
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Re: D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 07:41 AM
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Do you know that nazis were also doing search to
conceive a nuclear bomb ? They were in advance at America. But most nuclear scientist were jewish. So most of them have gone to USA.
Then Hitler decided to stop searching so he can build more artillery. But imagine only if....
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Re: D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 08:37 AM
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I was on parade today for the province of Ontario's D-Day celebration in Toronto. There was a lot of pride, but the major meassage I got from most of the vetrans is that they were forced to fight for what they believed in. And the hope that the world would never be in that position again.
I always think about any battle from both sides. Its kinda of a trgic even for both sides too, how many german soldiers were killed that day who were only there because they had no other real choice. Its kinda like the innocent killing the innocent.
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Commemorating those who have died or injured for the peace in world
June 6, 2004 - 10:42 AM
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Unfortunetely, days like the 6th of June are generally the only days we commemorate the memories of those who have sacrificed themselves, dead or alive... Just like Aung San Soo Kyi, the exiled leader of Burmese Democratic Party, Dag Hammarskjold, former UN Gen.Sec who died during an inspection at a civil war-torn country or the Bosnian men and women who died during the brutal occupation of Bosnia by Milosevic... And more unfortunetely people are still sacrificing for the peace in the world. Kids dying, women crying after them, men aging in the camps of tyranny.. As said in the lyrics of popular song by BEP "Where is the love"... I guess the answer is nowhere... So I wish that days such as these help us and the people who rule us to remember that "Peace shall prevail"
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Re: D-Day
June 6, 2004 - 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by luke
60 years ago today America sacrificed 6,603 young souls to storm the Beach at Normandy.
And change the fate of the world.
I have more respect for those guys than anyone I can think of - it took guts, it took courage - they took back Europe from Nazi facism.
The Germans were fortified up and down a cliff laden coastline that provided them the high ground from which to fire.
But the Americans had the Do-shin - the way of the heart - the greater will. And they were after all on the side of justice.
As one D-Day vet put it "we were fighting people who put other people into ovens."
Their sacrifice is something I think everyone should be greatful for - I am. I am greatful that that freedom won. I am greatful that Nazism is no longer a force in this world.
Normandy was the first step in taking back Europe from the evil tyranny of Hitler.
Come on, Luke. Don't you know that all of those Americans and British soldiers were murderers? Killers, every last one of them. They used death to further their cause. Many innocent Germans died both at the beaches of Normandy and in the months that followed. We should be ashamed of them. Roosevelt and Churchil were killers who brainwashed the people of Britan and the US into believing that killing was right. The German people should be angry about this! I can't understand why Germans aren't strapping explosives to themselves and walking into the London underground...or why Italians are not capturing American tourists and sawing their heads off on national television. Why should they stand for allowing so many innocent German and Italian children to be murdered just for some "political ambition" by the allies?
(Of course, pal, I am being completely sarcastic. I totally agree with your comments.)
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Re: D-Day
June 7, 2004 - 05:15 AM
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Whats good for Germany and its people in D day is the fact, it lead to quick defeat of nazi regime. Think what would happen without invasion? Americans would have used nuclear weapon in Germany, resulting in millions being killed.
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Re: D-Day
June 7, 2004 - 06:00 AM
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D-day is a BIG day for Germany. Germans should be mourning more than anyone for those who died to save them..
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Re: D-Day
June 7, 2004 - 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
Whats good for Germany and its people in D day is the fact, it lead to quick defeat of nazi regime. Think what would happen without invasion? Americans would have used nuclear weapon in Germany, resulting in millions being killed.
Ave Futuria
Yes, because America has used nuclear weapons so many times when the invasion of a country was not "quick" like in Vietnam and Korea and Iraq and...
Also, by the way, the fission bombs available during world war II were hardly "megadeath" weapons (killing "millions" . The total number of people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined (two very populated cities) was 67,000 initially and another 36,000 from bomb - related illnesses later. While 103,000 people dead from two bombs is horrid (and will hopefully never happen again), the fire bombing of German cities during WW II was equally horrid...these bombing campaigns created the first man - made "firestorms".
In short, then, the nuclear weapons available at the time would not likely kill "millions" and there has been no evidence (aside from the use of these terrible bombs to end a drawn - out war with Japan) that the US would use such weapons as an alternative to an invasion.
Let's all hope that these types of weapons remain permanently a part of history.
God Bless.
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June 8, 2004 - 06:35 AM
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I know USA would use nukes in Germany as well, if it was still too strong in 1945. And way more than 100.000 people died because of usage of nuclear weapon in Japan. around 250.000.
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Re: D-Day
June 8, 2004 - 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
One more fact Codoba:
During 1967 Izraeli-arab war, Izraeli warplanes "accidentally" bombed up one american ship, which was doing some intelligence data gathering (they gathered information about el-Arish incident, where Izraeli army killed off egyptian war prisoners). Americans thought it were egyptian planes, and president Johnson ordered a plane, loaded with nuke to head over Cairo. Immediatelly, when he learned that planes that attacked the ship were Izraeli he cursed and plane was called back.
YES, they would of had used some sort of nuclear weapon if fighting stronger opponent.
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Kaiser, these facts are really sickening, i am sick of hearing all these. Now Israel is not doing much less than a nuke use. think about that; how many people they killed and made homeless with help of U.S. U.S. is known as the greatest country and the land of opportunity. I guess these are the evil side of it.
To have life seceurity for human beings, all nations should give up their weapons of mass destruction. Ofcourse giving up nuke is not end of everything.
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Re: D-Day
June 8, 2004 - 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
I know USA would use nukes in Germany as well, if it was still too strong in 1945. And way more than 100.000 people died because of usage of nuclear weapon in Japan. around 250.000.
Ave Futuria
Nuking Japan was the biggest mistake for someone in this history. Trueman himself never regreted before death as well as the pilot who did. We would have seen one or more nuke use if Saddam or Bin Laden were found happened to as strong as U.S.
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Re: D-Day
June 8, 2004 - 09:40 AM
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One more fact Codoba:
During 1967 Izraeli-arab war, Izraeli warplanes "accidentally" bombed up one american ship, which was doing some intelligence data gathering (they gathered information about el-Arish incident, where Izraeli army killed off egyptian war prisoners). Americans thought it were egyptian planes, and president Johnson ordered a plane, loaded with nuke to head over Cairo. Immediatelly, when he learned that planes that attacked the ship were Izraeli he cursed and plane was called back.
YES, they would of had used some sort of nuclear weapon if fighting stronger opponent.
Ave Futuria
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