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Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 7, 2010 - 06:22 PM
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An increasing problem that I am seeing in schools is How Teachers are handling an increase in students working towards different goals.
In some glasses I have, the work in completly independant and the teacher goes around the class when people want help.
This system works well, and it works very well for students who are self motivated, however those that are not self motivated to get distracted, particularly as this is a computer class.
However, what suggestions do you all have for ways that teachers are able to handle an increase in individual goals of students, with them working towards different Assesments (Particularly when in classes of up to 32 in size)
Looking forward to your replys!
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 7, 2010 - 06:36 PM
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Haha, Im virtually in the same position, Our computer class is overfull and theteacher isn't really all that attentive to anybody.
I think rather then the teacher 'making sure' everybody is on task, being an enforcer, or involving everybody on a common goal, it should be their job to self empower everyone so they know what they are trying to achieve and become self motivated, not needing supervision or enforcement.
Its that approach which i see as an obsticle to achieving the MGD's, If teachers didn't enforce the same goal upon everyone but helped eveyrbody see their goal, and give them self motivation it would be alot better for everybody resulting in a general higher education.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 8, 2010 - 04:19 AM
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I think computing classes are the easiest for teachers to change to be more self driven, as often the people who are in them are self motivated to work etc.
However, how can we apply this to other subjects such as Chemistry and Maths?
I think also particularly at the younger years (Year 9 and 10) are when students develop more of an ability to make judgement on what they like and they dont like.
As they decide that they dont like this class, they then stop enjoying it, and look to distract themselves so that they can gain more entertainment.
Other other issue with this, is at Year 9 and 10 there are few options for the students to take where they can do exactly what they want, that have to stick with Maths, English, Science, Social studies etc. So how can we adapt and change these subjects to give students individual goals?
I think that one thing is to track what students are doing, a good way to do this is for them all to be working on computers all the time. and having these computers locked down to only provide basic internet and office applications means they are less likely to distract themselves. then you can adapt their learning to be on different projects, and areas that they are interested in, be it world war 2, or the financial crisis.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 8, 2010 - 07:09 AM
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@ Rileyd
When you say students have to study science in their 9th and 10th years, do you refer to science as a compiled versions of physics, biology and chemistry? Or do you mean they have to study all three subjects? Personally I doubt the necessity of studying all three in the 9th and 10th grades. It is of course necessary and a definite must up to a certain level.
When classes are of too large sizes for one teacher to handle, another/more teacher/s should be employed. I don't know why it would be difficult for a teacher to handle a class of individuals with different interests because different teachers teach separate subjects from a certain class. At least it's so where I come from 
Personally I feel parents should be stricter towards their children. I have friends whose parents could care less about what their children are presently doing and instead expect good grades out of the blue. A student will not be fully disinterested if he has been growing up with studies close to heart. Children are way too absorbed in video games, movies and television nowadays. From what I've heard, things weren't as bad as this when my parents were younger 
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 8, 2010 - 08:10 AM
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We can use technology to solve this problem on the increase of students having computer classes at the same time (if that's what you mean by your question). As we all know, teachers cannot always go around the computer lab monitoring everybody (since that would be very tiring and inconvenient). To solve this problem, why not use a software that could monitor the activities in the computer lab's network? By installing one in the main server, the teacher can just stay in one place and monitor what his/her students are doing. This would save so much time. Another solution that proves to be effective in our school is using system overriding softwares. I have experienced this first-hand (and mind you, I was frightened when I saw my mouse pointer move by itself for the first time). Instead of scolding each and every student who is browsing other sites unrelated to the lesson, the teacher can just control the student's computer to close the cause of distraction through the main server. Usually, this is done by a technician in our computer lab so that the teacher won't spend time doing so.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 8, 2010 - 08:11 AM
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I've personally never encountered a situation, where the teacher is unable to manage the class, I guess its like this because my classes aren't too full, only when reliefs come in place of sick teachers. I guess reliefs aren't trained in any particular subject and are randomly posted to classes whose teacher is absent.
Towards the question at hand, i think having a common goal for everyone in class is not a bad thing, the goal that the teacher sets, has to be something that will improve our lives, why would we want to achieve something that is of no use. I think the lack of interest in lesson, is not fully the teacher's responsibility, the teacher could've forgot to make the lesson interactive enough, but students that don't even bother to pay attention are partly to blame too.
Since my classes aren't very full, the teachers always have sufficient time to finish their lesson, and tend to students who need help. I think personal learning objectives can be set up at home, not neccessarily in school, as we already have goals set by our teachers.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 9, 2010 - 04:35 AM
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I think the idea that Gabrielle has raised is a good solution. However, as I'm not acquainted with such software, I have some doubts. It should be sort of difficult for a single teacher to supervise a huge class even if he does use some special software. I mean he'll have over 30/40 screens up for all of the students...
I think students should work within some limits - we're still very young, more than we'd like to accept. Making bad decisions is easy and we need teachers for the guidelines they provide. Just declaring greater student independence won't actually lead a country to a better future.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 9, 2010 - 04:40 AM
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Although Gabrielle has a good point, If we helped teachers understand how to make us motivated, they wouldn't need to motivate and moniter 40 students. As each person would be monitering themselves.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 9, 2010 - 04:51 AM
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I really don't understand how students can monitor themselves - they are too young and we can't expect them same things from everyone. A teacher is there to monitor - no one expects students to be perfect. But yes, students do need to learn more discipline and teaching discipline needs to start from a very young age in the most appropriate manner.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 9, 2010 - 05:13 AM
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@ Amiya
Im talking about Combined sciences, at my school we do a combined science couse till Year 11, which is compulsory, for Year 11 and 12. I think that it is these classes (as well as Maths) that some teachers need to work on to make them more interactive, so that they can loose their old image of the boring nature of these classes. Because they are not!
I also agree with you that parents need to be stricter with their children, from an early age. As all learning starts from the home.
My school currently has some overcrowding issues where we are unable to build more on the land we have, and classess are very full due to more students staying in school, due to the lower ability to leave and find a job.
I think some studnets are able to monitor themselves, and some are not. However to identify the line between students who can and can not can be difficult. There is also a tendency for when alot of students who are able to monitor themselves gather, they then get off task as they dont think they need to do the work.
I had one teacher tell me last year during a conversation that 'Gifted and Talented students are special needs in their own rite'
They can often feel that they do not need to do the work that is set, or otherwise complete the work at a rapid rate, absorbing more information that the teacher is able to provide.
Its amazing to see everyones ideas here, with so many options.
I think stricter rules in place by parents is a key to getting students to focus more, and then following that for Teachers to make lessons more interactive etc, to get them doing more practical things. Not just group work for the sake of making a poster with 3 other people, but experiments, complete projects etc.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 10, 2010 - 01:32 AM
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psycheamore wrote:
I really don't understand how students can monitor themselves - they are too young and we can't expect them same things from everyone. A teacher is there to monitor - no one expects students to be perfect. But yes, students do need to learn more discipline and teaching discipline needs to start from a very young age in the most appropriate manner.
I think by high school, or dealing with students above 13, If they have a passion for lets say soccer. You wouldn't be surprised if they went outside after school or at lunch time and played soccer.
Although it may seem idealistic, the same principle applys for academics. If a student WANTS to do something at such an age, not much will stop them. and if a teachers job was more based on making them WANT to do it, creating a passion for it, Then they wouldn't need to be monitered as they are doing what they want to be doing.
The problem is the students who aren't motivated by the teacher or don't have a passion for a subject and become a distraction in an attempt to stay entertained.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 11, 2010 - 08:47 AM
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Hi guys!
Well, I can say that Paul's idea is good. But having only one server monitoring a class of 30 and above students is very hard. The server will never be able to watch over all the students. Thus, making this method quite impractical(though it can still be used for smaller groups of students).
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 11, 2010 - 03:07 PM
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ArKadian wrote:
psycheamore wrote:
I really don't understand how students can monitor themselves - they are too young and we can't expect them same things from everyone. A teacher is there to monitor - no one expects students to be perfect. But yes, students do need to learn more discipline and teaching discipline needs to start from a very young age in the most appropriate manner.
I think by high school, or dealing with students above 13, If they have a passion for lets say soccer. You wouldn't be surprised if they went outside after school or at lunch time and played soccer.
Although it may seem idealistic, the same principle applys for academics. If a student WANTS to do something at such an age, not much will stop them. and if a teachers job was more based on making them WANT to do it, creating a passion for it, Then they wouldn't need to be monitered as they are doing what they want to be doing.
The problem is the students who aren't motivated by the teacher or don't have a passion for a subject and become a distraction in an attempt to stay entertained.
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In which case can we split classes better? with more honesty about student intentions in classes, can we split them into seperate streams, of those that really love the subject and are going to take it alot further, and those that are not going to. That could be a way for teachers to shift their focuses on the students
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 12, 2010 - 07:31 AM
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psycheamore wrote:
I think the idea that Gabrielle has raised is a good solution. However, as I'm not acquainted with such software, I have some doubts. It should be sort of difficult for a single teacher to supervise a huge class even if he does use some special software. I mean he'll have over 30/40 screens up for all of the students...
I think students should work within some limits - we're still very young, more than we'd like to accept. Making bad decisions is easy and we need teachers for the guidelines they provide. Just declaring greater student independence won't actually lead a country to a better future.
Well that's the use of the technician that I have mentioned in my post. This won't leave the teacher doing everything at the same time. Our teacher can monitor our class with 43 students using this method. I believe schools should start acquainting their teachers to these kinds of technology so that they will be more competitive.
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Re: Increase student independence and personal learning objectives
February 12, 2010 - 07:53 AM
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Hi guys!
I have just read your recent posts and I would like to thank you for your responses to my post.
As we could see, another major issue is rising out from this thread. This issue is about the problem on having too many students in one class. I believe that this issue is one of the major factors that we should consider in trying to increase students' independence and personal learning objectives. Having too many students in a class poses a very huge drawback to learning. First of all, the teacher is not able to monitor and guide every student in his class (like what you guys said in your recent posts). Second, this poses a big threat to the health of the students. When classrooms are crowded, communicable diseases can be spread faster. Once one of the students sneeze, the other students are more vulnerable. Third, students in overcrowded classrooms are less likely to grasp lessons because there are more distractions.
My point here is that there is a need for schools to tackle this problem if they want students to learn more efficiently.
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