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hurting animals 4 science
April 18, 2004 - 11:49 AM
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After reading an article today about people hurting animals by doing expirements on them to help cure dieases and when they are done with the expirements, they kill the animals. It said that about 70,000 dogs are killed a year for research. I have mixed feelings about this article, because it deals with two important issues, saving humans, and saving animals. They use animals to test treatments for cancer to see if they are safe and if they stop that they may be giving people unsafe medication. On the other hand, if they keep doing this, more animals are being harmed. I was wondering if i could hear any of your opnions on this subject.
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
April 18, 2004 - 08:27 AM
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On the subject of using animals for testing, I think that if 100 dogs can be sacrificed to make a discovery that saves the lives of 1,000,000 people, it is worth it at least a thousandfold.
I did not know that most of these animals are put down afterwards, but I still think it's a good idea. Look at it this way: There are already so many domesticated animals in the world, it's near impossible to find homes for even half of them. If these animals were just send to a pound after research, they would probably be killed anyways. On top of that, some of the reasearch might have painful aftereffects. In some cases, it is better to put an animal down then to let it live in pain.
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
April 22, 2004 - 09:36 AM
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I think that the fact that many animals are killed yearly in the name of research should not be our problem.Instead,we should be thanking God for giving us this animals for use in trying to save peoples life.I bet u wouldn't want to donate your life for research;or would u?
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
April 23, 2004 - 01:47 AM
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I wouldnt know. A VERY complicated question here. Anyway there must not be anything EXCESSIVE (?) Meaning = When we already know what we wanted to know, no need to continue whatever it is - or if we can for sure learn the same by very different, less blood-wanting procedure as well.
Such as atomic weapon testing before: THey needed to test the weapons in nature.
Now they have powerfull computers which can simulate all conditions to the fullest, therefore effecitivelly replacing tests in nature.
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City of Hope?
April 26, 2004 - 06:26 AM
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I'm sure some of you have heard of the 'City of Hope'-
A cancer Cure and Research center*
Is anyone aware of the fact that 'City of Hope' conducted cruel and inhumane acts on animals?
There was a video that was circulating around some years ago documenting the abuse of many animals -pigs/ rabbits/ monkeys/ mice etc...
I have not heard any reports of this abuse being reported to officials.
If any of you have any information regarding this please feel free to answer this post-
Thank you-
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
May 19, 2004 - 12:02 PM
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There are many animal acts in place to protect animals from being harmed. These all have to be in place before research can proceed and if these rules are not met researchers are not allowed furthering their experiments. They make efforts to use the lowest form of species (example a rat rather than a dog) lowest number of animals needed for research, and make sure the animal goes through the least about of pain possible. As much as I wish there was another way to make advances in Science there often are not. We are constantly putting animals in use for human benefit and this is very disturbing
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
May 23, 2004 - 04:36 AM
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. I mean, would you use animals if you knew that you could cure cancer or AIDS? I think I would...I even think that if someone could tell me 100% sure that cencer, AIDS, etc have a cure I'd volunteer myself to save millions of lifes.
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
August 31, 2004 - 05:20 AM
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Infect, murder, and torture thousands of innocent animals every year just to save some people? Hell no. Yeah, it sucks that there are so many diseases we have to deal with but we have no right to kill other species just so more of us can survive.
First of all, the world's population is getting out of hand. Finding cures for everything would only make things worse.
Also, animals don't share all of our physical traits. Most animals will react differently to medications than humans. Would you really feel safe taking something that has only been proved safe for rats? Would you even feel safe taking a medication that has been tested on monkeys? Yes they are a lot closer to us genetically, but there are obviously still some big differences. Something that could be safe for a monkey could kill a person.
As for what prodigaldruid said, yes it's true that a lot of animals never find homes, but what do you think is a better life: living in a pound until you get put down, or having scientists conduct painful tests on you until they don't need you anymore?
And mecury, do you have any idea how b*tchy and selfish you sound? Of course it's not your problem because you aren't the one having to endure those tests. I'm not thanking "God" for anything because first of all I don't believe in "him" and second, even if I did he isn't the one doing those experiments. WE are. People. WE decided to martyr those helpless animals for our selfish benefit. As you said, "I bet u wouldn't want to donate your life for research;or would u?" Maybe you should ask yourself this question. If you wouldn't be willing to sacrifice yourself then why should they have to? I highly doubt they would if they had a choice.
If we are going to do medical research we should do it on people. Why don't we test cancer patients? Test the people that have the diseases. They are already going to die, so what do they have to lose? At least then they'd die knowing they contributed to helping others instead of wasting away in a hospital eating up healthy people's tax money. Or we could use serial killers. After all the pain they cause, they deserve to be guinea pigs. It seems like that would be cheaper than buying all those animals and paying for food and shelter for murderers.
Boo for animal testing. We don't deserve life any more than they do. If anything, they are superior. At least they aren't destroying the beautiful planet that created us.
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
September 18, 2004 - 04:08 AM
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hay what about the animals that are killed and you eat them later on?????? i'm more woried about that, i mean ok some mice may be tested for some reasearch but i think it should be on a level that doesn't hurt them!
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
September 19, 2004 - 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by matic
hay what about the animals that are killed and you eat them later on?????? i'm more woried about that, i mean ok some mice may be tested for some reasearch but i think it should be on a level that doesn't hurt them!
First of all, the animals we eat are killed quickly and pretty painlessly. Plus, at least they are dying so we can eat.
It's completely different for lab animals. They are tortured with whatever tests the scientists wish to conduct. They are usually used for different tests over and over again, until they die, or until the scientists don't feel like they need them anymore.
And it's more than just "some mice". They use cats, dogs, monkeys.... you name it, they'll use it.
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
September 19, 2004 - 03:27 AM
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hay they don't die quickly belive me! i was going past a slaughtery for 4 years on my way to school! i always heard pigs, cows or sheep "screaming" and then you could hear the elecrticity it is one of the most disgusting things! and those tests are the same as this! they're in a way for the good of humans!you eat the animals, others are being tested medicaments on and other things so that they find out how will it work on humans! the end affect is the same by both the animal dies!
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
September 19, 2004 - 03:30 AM
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[i]Originally posted by SilentSorceress
They use cats, dogs, monkeys.... you name it, they'll use it.[/B]
btw ppl eat these too! and don't forget some eat animals alive! like koreans and japanese who eat fish that are both alvie(their head which is not fried) and dead(the fried part) or the sicilians who eat live eals while they are still being fried! so i think you should think about that!
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Re: hurting animals 4 science
September 20, 2004 - 05:34 AM
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At some slaughterhouses, yes the animals suffer. But there are a lot of good ones that kill the animals as quickly as possible. There is no comparison between the deaths in a slaughterhouse and the deaths in a science lab. The animals in labs suffer for weeks, even months, before they actually die. In slaughterhouses they die quickly, even in the bad ones. And I don't know what you mean when you say you hear electricity when they die. They don't electricute animals for meat, at least not in the United States.
Your argument about killing for meat and killing for tests being the same in the end, doesn't hold up. Yeah, they are both for our benefit... blah, blah, blah. BUT as I said in my first post, all animals react differently. A medication that could help one species could kill a person. The only sure way of knowing something will help people is to test it on people.
I'm perfectly aware that some people eat animals alive, and it's disgusting in every sense of the word. But I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you saying that it's ok for them to do that? Or are you saying that it's wrong? It seems like you're opposing it, but if that's the case then it goes against everything you posted beforehand. You're comparing animal testing to eating animals alive, right? So now you think animal testing is wrong all of a sudden? I'm confused.
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