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Abdallah Diwan
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Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 17, 2004 - 04:27 AM
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I just heard that bad news of Hamas leader Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi by an Israeli helicopter missile strike on his car in Gaza City, Medics said al-Rantisi was rushed to a Gaza City hospital in a critical condition after the attack. He had reportedly been wounded in his head with shrapnel.
Israel tried to kill al-Rantisi, the public face of a Palestinian resistance group that normally stays in the shadows, last June.
On that occasion he and his teenage son were wounded in an Israeli helicopter missile strike on his car, also in Gaza City.
I really think this way of solving killing Civilians will just make more Civilians die, and Hamas should have revenge and they will , and more will die , because Israel remains working on there idiot similar way , they will never change until the fat pig Sharon go away or get killed too .
He just fill his big fat belly with the money of the people of Israel and he don’t know any thing about policy, he just a killing machine.
And I think Hamas should really try to find a way to kill him too, I think it will be a favor for the Israeli people themselves.
This fools don’t know that by this way they are creating more anger on the Arab region and one day the people will explode and then they will suffer a lot, and they will start hiding at homes as they did after Sheikh Ahmed yacein was assassinated
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 17, 2004 - 04:37 AM
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well....its useless switching between channels everyday to see kilings and assassinations and everybody knows, that it will never be the solutions, assassinations won;t make people afraid on the contrary,they are growing in anger and anger so they will take revenge and the cycle is endless...
so, aren't there any reasonable rulers out there that really care for their people?
and don't ever say that the palestineans started the violence ,coz thats not true...we need real solutions for that mess...
still wish to wake up in a better world
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 17, 2004 - 05:07 AM
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Among other things that manifest thmeselves in Reality is one:
IF SOMETHING LOOKS LIKE GOING WRONG IT PROBABLY WILL. MAY NOT BE IN THE INTENDED FORM BUT IT WILL HAPPEN. JUST WAIT!
I am by nature realistic and i have generally speaking low expectation. YES, we r waiting for an upsurge in violence.
Ave Futuria
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 18, 2004 - 05:03 AM
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Well. As i wrote before.
Ave Futuria
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Way forward
April 18, 2004 - 10:44 AM
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It is quite unfortunate that Rantasi was killed the way he was killed but as he has said that he'll prefer to die from the guns of a apache helicopter. Well the call for the death of Sharon won't solve anything at all. I tell u if anything happens to Sharon from the hands of Palestinians, it is then u will see what real bloodshed is because it has been ordinary citizens that were killed by the suicide bombers and we see the results. If Sharon dies the whole of the arab world will not see peace again cause it will be the beginning of the new world war, so let's stop that harsh idea of killing of a prime minister and Israels PR for that. I though u guys have been making the same fume about the idea of Israel killing Arafat. Is he more powerful than Sharon?
Look, let us all tell the Palestinians that they should keep Hamas suicide bombers away from Israel. One suicide bombing in Israel now makes the retaliate in a heavy way, can't we see that? This is leading us to no where and the next minute now we say it is America's fault. Why can't we just say in one voice that the suicide bombings in Israel should stop and other reasonable way of protests brought up. As long as Palestines or Hamas blow up or kill any Israel citizen, there will be a revenge and vise versa, and u think this war will stop? No it won't. Both parties has said they will fight it to their last blood, so who will caution or stop who? Please, let's talk out now.
Been irrational won't stop anything. It has not and it will not. I am not in the middle east but I am fed up with this news of blood everyday. Let this war stop. Now.
God bless us.
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 18, 2004 - 11:08 AM
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I am concern how the moderate Muslims are converting to support Hamas because of the Israel efforts.
This is a never ending circle of violance..
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 18, 2004 - 11:28 AM
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I agree with abdallahdiwan; now it is time for Hamas to find a way to kill the pig, sharon. These demonstration of ten thousands ain't work any more. Hamas has to engaged in real action now...
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Stop Violence
April 19, 2004 - 06:02 AM
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Well I guess TheCodoba will have to leave his office or work or house in Bangladish where he prays for peace to rain everyday and have peace of mind to go and lead the war ir intafida he is proposing in Palestine against the Israelites. At least he can browse and say all such things to instigate the Palestines to go and fight and get killed while he is earninig his own salary in peace an goes around free.
Do u know what freedom is? To wake up and breath a air of peace devoid of guns or war helicopters or machine guns pointed at you? Have u ever experienced war? cause if u have done, u won't encourage it. No u won't.
Why don't we just encourage a better way of resolving ths impasse rather than tell people to go and fight? Have we ever wondered that there is no single Palestinian on this site to discuss with us? They are not opportuned to cause there is war. We have peace but we tell them to go and fight and sometimes send money to them for that issue. Not to buy food or books but guns. We give them the moral support. STOP IT NOW. PLEASE.
Look let the whole of Palestine enter Israel with machine guns, they won't finish or be able to kill the whole Isrealites, it is not possible. So, why not suggest a better and more peaceeful way. We are touched yes, but why have u not gone there to die for the course too.
Preach peace and not war. Retaliation will only bring another retaliation and another retaliation etc. Let the suicide bomb stop and see what America will say. But it says something is a terrorist act and it is fighting it and u do that same thing and encourage it and now say America shuold feel sorry for u when u are killed, forget it. America has classed hamas, Rantisi, Yasin and Osama bin laden in the same class and whatever happened to them is a war against terrorism and even the Palestinian leadership cannot control them, funny.
Finally, if Palestinians want peace, let the hold Hamas and then peace will reign. I want peace all over the world.
God bless us.
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 20, 2004 - 01:59 AM
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Look.You don't get it. Olembeji...Imagine of your country invaded by one of your neighbors.Your friends killed and your leader sent in exile.They are desperate.Their only solution is to make a "honorable" death for themselves. These people are illusioned by Hamas and all other terrorists who tell that spilling the blood of Israelites would take them to heaven.Israelis claim they fight with terrorism. Does terrorizing Palestinians or killing their leaders with Apaches end terrorism. Israelis count on their American allies and technology. If Palestinians have been as evil as Israelis claim they are, they would smuggle weapons or drugs or hijack an Israli airplane and hit Tel Aviv. These people can only throw stones and they get hit by bullets.Please use some empathy
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 20, 2004 - 05:00 AM
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I by origin also Palestinian. My mother's father lost all of his assets and rights in what is now called "Izrael".
Ok then. Reality is Reality. Must be acknowledged and accepted in order to move on.
Certainly Izraelish are stronger in both economy, military and also Reason.
All whats left is population, and thats only true strongpoints of Palestinians. Jordan is 70 % Palestinian, Syria is also having a major increase in Palestian population there. So is Lebanon. Palestian population adds 100.000 ppl every year to itself. Time IS out ally.
Even if we dont do ABSOLUTELY nothing in any direction we win at end automatically. Beside having right to original lands, we are about to assimilate neioghbouring cuontries, and also bringing thme to the conflict.
I dont know actually number of Pals but i assume its well over 10 million.
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 20, 2004 - 05:18 AM
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Codoba - I think what you are not understanding is that Hamas is not capable of putting the button on Sharon.
If they were they would have done it years ago - do you think the reason Hamas has not assasinated Sharon is because of lack of effort?
I think you must understand that the Palestinains are at a distinct tactical disadvantage with the Israelis - they are not going to win a "fight".
And if Sharon is assasinated - Nentanyahu will take power - I have a feeling Sharon might lose power over this bribery scandle - I hope so and perhaps someone more moderate will take over.
But anyway - you are just kidding yourself if you think Hamas has any chance of beating the IDF in a fight.
The Moderate Arabs need to put a leash on the Palestinains - and America has to put a leash on Israel - and pull these sides apart.
And Kaiser - yes the Palestinains will be populating - but they will not be able to draw countries like Jordan back into war with Israel.
Jordan doesn't want to undergo the kind of punishment they would recieve for breaking their treaty and attacking Israel - they have done it before and now they will think twice.
Same thing with Syria - do reolize that the last time Syria got into a fight with Israel - Israel destroyed their entire airforce - 85 to 0 - its considered the greatest airial victory of all time.
I am sorry for your losses.
scsazak - what in the world are you talking about - of course they have tried to highjack planes out of Tel Aviv - don't be rediculous - have you ever been on an El Al flight? The security is tremendous.
Palestinain terrorists also killed Israeli athleates at the Olympics a few years ago.
here is an article about an attempt to highjack an plane out of Tel Aviv last year in which the Highjacker was overpowered by the passengers.
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2002/11/18/group45.asp
here are a few others - and actually Palestinians have highjacked more than just Israeli planes -
July, 1968: Three Palestinian guerrillas seized an Israeli El-Al plane in Rome on July 23 and forced it to Algiers. Algeria held 22 Israeli hostages and the plane. It freed the plane and the final 12 hostages after 40 days in captivity in return for Israel's release of 16 Palestinians.
September, 1970: Palestinian guerrillas hijacked three airliners -- one TWA, one Swissair and one BOAC -- forcing them to land in Jordan where the planes were blown up. All hostages were released in exchange for Palestinan prisoners.
This is a really famous example because Israeli cammandos actually infultraited the plane after it landed and saved the passengers -
July, 1976: Four hijackers took an Air France Airbus with 244 passengers and 12 crew. All but 105 Israeli and Jewish hostages were released before arrival at Entebbe, Uganda. Seven days later Israeli commandos staged a rescue operation killing the hijackers. Three passengers were killed.
October, 1977: Four Palestinian guerrillas hijacked a German Lufthansa airliner. The pilot was killed before the five-day ordeal ended at Mogadishu when West German commandos stormed the plane, killing three hijackers and freeing 86 hostages.
November, 1985: Palestinians hijacked an Egyptair plane to Malta. Egyptian commandos stormed the plane and 59 people were killed.
Basically after a few highjackings in the 70's and 80's the Israelis beefed up security on their airlines to an unbeleivable level - so The Palestinains have not been able to execute another highjacking - but it isn't for lack of effort.
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 20, 2004 - 06:17 AM
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Kaiser, You have shown a good analysis, but what do you mean by when you say " Time IS out ally. Even if we dont do ABSOLUTELY nothing in any direction we win at end automatically"
what kind of win you r talking about and how do you achieve that..
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Re: Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi Assassinated
April 20, 2004 - 06:52 AM
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Yes exactly as i told you. Time is ally. And it will be compelete non-violent victory. True one.
I have a limitation in any action i take by the ban on all sorts of violence:
- Either verbal violence, insulting, moralizing, and opinions about tohers
- OR Physical violence.
Every other approach if upper conditons are met is good approach - from my perspective.
So i see the previously mentioned approach as good one.
There MUST be effort given to reap benefit from the given effort later
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Violence solves nothing
April 20, 2004 - 09:56 AM
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Well, though I am not here to argue issues with anybody but rather to join suggestions to all the problems on ground, I think I don't have the time to argue issues with a person of TheCodoba who I see puts the cart before the horse. If u so much believe in violence, then leave ur country and go and fight in Palestine and let's see what that will solve. TheCodoba, I am not "blind, nut and what", maybe u are. U are the historian so tell us about Sharon's background, I care less. Are u a good guy? Judge urself now.
My point: what has violent and suicide bombings achieved in the past 4 years for Palestine? Tell me. And talking about nice, nobody on this earth is nice so forget that. They believe they don't have other options because people like u who are supposed to tell them to protest peacefully instead encourage them to go and die. U praise them from afar and they face the guns. The Palestine childdren are not going to schools peacefully but u do peacefully. Did u hear what the British PM said, let the suicide bombers stop the terrorists acts and then lets see if Israel will not change for good. The Israelites said they are defending themselves against attacks, prove them wrong. Go on. Can't u see how a "pig" can reason like a security conscious person?
We are not saying Sharon is right all the time but hamas is not giving any body the space to blame Israel. Is Dr. Rantisi's life worth more than the life of those Israeli and palestinian kids or adults that has been killed? Is he better off? Is he? Why the fuss about his death?
I should be the one to ask u if u are blind or nuts but I won't cause I can see u are not matured enough to discuss this issue. U'r reasoning is shallow. Kaiser has a blood line in Palestine, still u question his opinions
Also, who said Palestinians don't smuggle weapons, oh maybe the ones they are using droped from the sky. If Israel allows them they will even hijack the PM office, but security won't. They don't just throw stones, they throw bombs, shoot guns and use rockets. The only thing they don't use is apaches.
Please, my others discusants should get the point, I am not saying Sharon is right in killing or building the fense, but what caused them. Suicide bombers. Tell the arab leaders to appeal to hamas to stop for a month and let's see what Israel will do, that is my point. If this happens, then we can nowtalk about the removal of the fence and the return of land. But the killings are clouding the main issues. Let's work or talk towards peace in the middle east and not spread the violence. I stay my comments here.
God bless us.
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Violence solves nothing
April 20, 2004 - 10:09 AM
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Well, though I am not here to argue issues with anybody but rather to join suggestions to all the problems on ground, I think I don't have the time to argue issues with a person of TheCodoba who I see puts the cart before the horse. If u so much believe in violence, then leave ur country and go and fight in Palestine and let's see what that will solve. TheCodoba, I am not "blind, nut and what", maybe u are. U are the historian so tell us about Sharon's background, I care less. Are u a good guy? Judge urself now.
My point: what has violent and suicide bombings achieved in the past 4 years for Palestine? Tell me. And talking about nice, nobody on this earth is nice so forget that. They believe they don't have other options because people like u who are supposed to tell them to protest peacefully instead encourage them to go and die. U praise them from afar and they face the guns. The Palestine childdren are not going to schools peacefully but u do peacefully. Did u hear what the British PM said, let the suicide bombers stop the terrorists acts and then lets see if Israel will not change for good. The Israelites said they are defending themselves against attacks, prove them wrong. Go on. Can't u see how a "pig" can reason like a security conscious person?
We are not saying Sharon is right all the time but hamas is not giving any body the space to blame Israel. Is Dr. Rantisi's life worth more than the life of those Israeli and palestinian kids or adults that has been killed? Is he better off? Is he? Why the fuss about his death?
I should be the one to ask u if u are blind or nuts but I won't cause I can see u are not matured enough to discuss this issue. U'r reasoning is shallow. Kaiser has a blood line in Palestine, still u question his opinions
Also, who said Palestinians don't smuggle weapons, oh maybe the ones they are using droped from the sky. If Israel allows them they will even hijack the PM office, but security won't. They don't just throw stones, they throw bombs, shoot guns and use rockets. The only thing they don't use is apaches.
Please, my others discusants should get the point, I am not saying Sharon is right in killing or building the fense, but what caused them. Suicide bombers. Tell the arab leaders to appeal to hamas to stop for a month and let's see what Israel will do, that is my point. If this happens, then we can nowtalk about the removal of the fence and the return of land. But the killings are clouding the main issues. Let's work or talk towards peace in the middle east and not spread the violence. I stay my comments here.
God bless us.
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