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Udara
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Usage of Guns?
April 8, 2004 - 03:45 AM
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Friends, Should guns be proscribed or should it be permissible in the society for self-protection?
Thoughts?
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 8, 2004 - 04:34 AM
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Generally speaking, more people/children get hurt and killed by guns kept in the home that a criminal that actually breaks into someone's residence. Not to mention all the children we have (in the US) who always go on killing sprees at school. I personally have friends/family who own multiple guns (rifles, shotguns and handguns). My brother keeps a shotgun under his bed! I'm always afraid he's going to blow away my dad by accident in the middle of the night...
I have been to the shooting range with my peolple several times but won't keep a gun in my house. I do however keep a big stick by the bed within easy reach and I know how to use it! And if I drop the stick, I'm actually more dangerous hand-to-hand thanks to those years of martial arts/self-defense training. I prefer the stick though for home defense...more intimidating.
Back to the guns in the house issue, to keep your gun child proofed it is recommended that trigger-locks be used and also that the ammo be kept separate. What that means: if you hear a window breaking you have to find the trigger-lock key, unlock the gun, fumble around for the bullets in the closet, try like hell to load the gun in the dark and then pray the burglar hasn't already found you...or has escaped. Or scenario #2. You don't hear the window or whatever and the burglar takes his time and finds your gun and uses it either on YOU or steals it to kill somebody else later.
This happened to a friend of mine who is a Magistrate. Her gun was stolen and years later she was contacted by the police in a far away state. Her gun had been involved in at least one murder.
The opposing argument is "if guns are outlawed then only the outlaws will have the guns." This is the case in Britain right? Anybody want to fill me in on how this actually works in practice?
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Guns OK
April 9, 2004 - 02:59 AM
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Guns are certainly OK. Remember no gun does anything wrong, it is the person holding the gun. I have owned guns since I was 12 years old and I am now over 56 years old. I have used them for target shooting (sports contest) for hunting and also protection. I have never shot or harmed a person with one but twice in my life when severley threatened and feel having a gun in my possesion saved me from harm and possibly saved my life in one case.
Another very important reason all citizens should own guns it keeps a government honest. Even in the USA if a very wealthy group got together and got elected to a large majority of the fedral government positions they could take control and dictate all kinds of repressive laws. Only a citizen uprising could stop them. We take our democracy/republic for granted but everyone must be aware that it can be lost. Only gun control/registration etc can take the means we have of making certain no one group can take and maintain conrol.
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 9, 2004 - 04:41 AM
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"Even in the USA if a very wealthy group got together and got elected to a large majority of the fedral government positions they could take control and dictate all kinds of repressive laws." And how is this not the case now? And where is our armed revolution? I'll tell you. They are at home watching tv and playing video games. Content...well content enough. If there were to be a budding civil rebellion the FBI would infiltrate it and turn it on it's head so fast it wouldn't last long. There are groups of anti-govt. types in Montana http://www.cnn.com/US/9603/montana_freemen/pm/ but we see what state they're in. They're viewed as crackpots. I'm not trying to say we shouldn't protest the government, just that it won't be done with the barrel of a gun.
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 9, 2004 - 06:27 AM
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I really recommend watching Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine, when it comes to gun control. Say what you will about its authenticity, etc., it still makes some very good points about why there is far more than 'human nature' involved in the case for gun control.
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 9, 2004 - 12:43 PM
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Question is what to allow and what not.
Knives are for sure weapon. And we need them in daily life.
What about bow and archbow (archbow is leathal) Kommandoses use them in "silent takedowns".
Should small arms (sidearms) be forbidden? I dont know.
THE GUN DOES NOT KILL. WHAT KILLS IS HUMAN NATURE.
Not only people in America own and keep guns in house. It is only their violent culture that promotes violent settleing of scores. You know, as you turn on the TV.
Personally i like guns as a relict of a handwork and also as a "art". That does not mean i am going to walk down the street and shot in all directions!
If baseball player would loose his mind and took his bat and went to the mall and serially beat up people, would we outlaw baseball bats too?
And what about MACE? The assault stopper. It can stop just anybody, trying to assault you, just by spraying it on him.
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 10, 2004 - 02:33 AM
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True, you guys have a point, but still I feel the possibilities of violence are high with possession of guns,
I have seen that many countries which had proscribed guns as peaceful than countries in which guns are legal.
Anyway, your thoughts are welcome 
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 10, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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This is MG-42. The dredded Wehrmacht main machinegun in 2nd world war. It has enormmous firing rate and is still very active today. Its last engagement was in Pakistan, when Pakistani forces surrounded Al Qaeda elements.
The gun was also used by my grandfather, which was forcibly recruted into german army during ww2
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Re: Usage of Guns?
April 11, 2004 - 09:02 AM
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It's a sad world we live in if people need guns (or any weapons) around them "just in case"
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Nukes for All???????NukeThemAll
May 1, 2004 - 07:28 AM
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The problem is not the Gun. It is the Nut holding it. He Hates his Self and he is look for some One to Blame. He just knows that he is perfect it has to be...
Peace Out,,,,,NuGene...
P.S.,,,Rewaa know I love You...Kids over here are judging themselves through other's eyes... God made Man/Woman(WombOfMan)the most adaptable Creature ever know.. Next Time You see Yourself in a mirrow Look at You, Look through my Eyes and You will See how really Beautiful You are...
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Nukes for All???????NukeThemAll
May 1, 2004 - 07:30 AM
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The problem is not the Gun.. It is the Nut holding it.. He Hates his Self and he is look for some One to Blame...
Peace Out,,,,,NuGene
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Re: Usage of Guns?
May 2, 2004 - 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by hutch
It's a sad world we live in if people need guns (or any weapons) around them "just in case"
Hutch, look up my posts and you'll see a good "just in case" gun ) hehe. Can cut grass.
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Re: Usage of Guns?
May 9, 2004 - 05:23 AM
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'just in case' but the just in case depends on the holder of the gun. when one has it, the just in case can as well as be malicious or any slight provocation or prejudice. just in case i have malicious plans to exterminate, sure i need the gun. people do not need guns. they take guns because they believe so much in the "just in case". they think that they can provide themselves with a 24hr surveillance and so do their friends. in the end suspicion and prejudice reighns and the Just in cases become real.
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