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March 22, 2004 - 02:46 AM

Don't worry Amira sheikh Yaceine is in heaven now better for him , and offcourse he is not a teroriest . he is a hero who tried to evacuacate his oucupied lands from the Zion ocupation . and there is more Ahmad Yacein who will be Created now to take Revenge for him and this is Only what the Isrealeis think now when they Celeberate his death as a win , and they don't know that they will lose so much now

( wala tahsaban allazein kotelo fe sabeil allah amwatan bal ahyaa enda rabehem yourzakoun)

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March 22, 2004 - 04:57 AM

I assume Mr. RANTISI will continue his way, with carefullenss and awareness for the benefits of Palestinian people and for creating firm and sucessfull society, which would be a pride to observe.

With sincere respect, Ali (Katulus) al Kayser

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April 4, 2004 - 08:01 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by abdallahdiwan
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Only what the Isrealeis think now when they Celeberate his death as a win , and they don't know that they will lose so much now

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This is pathetic for both Israel and Palestine and the last thing we should hope for, going again to the vicious circle of violence.

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April 5, 2004 - 01:21 AM

I'll tell you one thing - Bush is not actively encouraging young people to strap bombs to themselves and blow up in front of a bunch of strangers.

I'm not sure what the Palestinians think Suicide bombing is gaining them - it looks to me like a losing strategy.

It is because of men like Yassin that peace cannot be acheived in the regoin - sure Sharon and Arafat are problems.

But every time the Israeli government and the Palestinian authority sit down to talk peace - Hamas detonates a bomb.

Before Yassin was assasinated Sharon was suppoed to meet with the new Palestinian P.M.

What happens - before they can meet - 11 dead in Ashdod - another peace meeting ruined by Hamas - more blood on the ground.

I feel nothing for Yassin - good riddence to bad rubbish.

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April 5, 2004 - 02:02 AM

Luke, Do you consider that the Bush administration and as a whole, the US policy regarding the middle east conflict or even the Afghanistan crisis which enabled Taliban regime and many evils, is not hypocritical?

How come only USA getting attacks not Canada? I believe that the US policy is what empowered the so-called terrorists attack USA, picturing USA as a devil in the minds of muslims.

Cheers,

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April 5, 2004 - 02:53 AM

Originally posted by abdallahdiwan

Don't worry Amira sheikh Yaceine is in heaven now better for him , and offcourse he is not a teroriest . he is a hero who tried to evacuacate his oucupied lands from the Zion ocupation . and there is more Ahmad Yacein who will be Created now to take Revenge for him and this is Only what the Isrealeis think now when they Celeberate his death as a win , and they don't know that they will lose so much now

( wala tahsaban allazein kotelo fe sabeil allah amwatan bal ahyaa enda rabehem yourzakoun)

? I have to wonder at this post and what it is doing on a message board on TIG. We are not here to support terrorists and those that use violence. That is exactly what you are doing by supporting this man.
I am seriously concerned for a person who would hail this guy a "hero"
Spare us please.
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April 5, 2004 - 06:07 AM

Ok Shaye, so you put it that way smile

Now tell me this,
what do you think about the Bush and the policy makers of Israel ? Are they any better ?

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April 5, 2004 - 06:45 AM

Well Frankly the reason we are getting attcked and not Canada is because New York and Washington are greater centers of western power than Toronto and Montreal.

If you want a frank answer. In WW2 the Japanese bombed us at Pearl Harbor and not the Canadians or the Mexicans.

We have a much stronger military - and a much stronger military presence internationally.

And notice something else about the terrorist attacks - they didn't come from Mexico or Canada - we have no trouble keeping peace with our neighbors. The entire North American Continent is basically free of internal turmoil.

When is the last time Canada and the US squared off - never. We squared off with Mexico about 150 years ago - nothing too large scale.

And by the way - you tell me what else you would call the slaughter of 3000 people - a direct attack on our way of life may be more accurate. But the people killed in the World Trade Center were just people - 450 of them were firefighters who ran into the building to save others - while everyone else was trying to get out.

There is nothing "so-called" about it - and we will have little to talk about if you somehow think there was a justification for 9/11.

There was none. Anyone who would take an airplane full of ordinary people - like you - like me - and slam it into a building full of people - who were just going about their daily lives.

Anyone who would do this is clearly out of his mind. There is no two ways about it - think about it. People who act in such a manner lose the right to speak with us - we don't care what Al Qaeda has to say - we are going to take it down.

Whatever Bin Laden and Zarchowie think was the rationaliztion for killing all those people - I'm not interested - I just want to find them and nail them.

As far as supporting the Mujahadeen against Russia - it certainly looks now to be a mistake. Really the mistake was not staying committed to Afghanistan after they fought the Russians for us.

Really its sort of the same as the way we backed the Northern Allience against the Taliban - we stayed mostly in the air - dropping where Special Forces located enemy.

And Karzie seems cool - but no one is donating to Afghanistan - and partially that is because there is no reason to invest - just donate. But no governments are helping.

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April 6, 2004 - 08:33 AM

"And notice something else about the terrorist attacks - they didn't come from Mexico or Canada - we have no trouble keeping peace with our neighbors. The entire North American Continent is basically free of internal turmoil. When is the last time Canada and the US squared off - never. We squared off with Mexico about 150 years ago - nothing too large scale."

- This is probably as there is no external dividing and ruling force, stirring things up or making trouble. This internal turmoil last happened in North America when the Eurpeans decided to invade and steal the land. And, Mexico is under the thumb. There seems to be an amount of mexicans who view America with a great deal of contempt. I just hope you arent trying to glorify the US as a peace-promoting nation.

"As far as supporting the Mujahadeen against Russia - it certainly looks now to be a mistake. Really the mistake was not staying committed to Afghanistan after they fought the Russians for us. Really its sort of the same as the way we backed the Northern Allience against the Taliban - we stayed mostly in the air - dropping where Special Forces located enemy."

- Given the significant experience, skills and intelligence of the US government, arent such "mistakes" avoidable. Did the US not envisage the future anger of those Mujahadeen who fought for them only to be left in the cold as soon as the Russians were defeated? I think it demonstrates the lack of care and compassion exercised.

As for Sheikh Yassin. Do you really think that guy would go to heaven. What kind of people praise killers and say they will go to heaven? Im sure the Christians once thought people like Vasco da Gama would go to heaven, but I very much doubt he did. Jews may think Sharon will go to heaven, but again I doubt it. Sheikh Yassin was a criminal and deserved punishment just as Sharon deserves punishment. As I think about it more, Yassin shouldn't have been killed - his death has only created a martyr, ignorantly praised and followed

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April 6, 2004 - 12:43 PM

Sean - you have no idea what you re talking about.

I lived in Mexico for months - most Mexicans are not terribly political, they tend to be laid back, good natured people - they are not "under our thumb" - they don't see us with contempt - if anything they are trying to migrate into our country in mass.

Have you ever been to Mexico?

And yeah - I think it says something when Europe, Asia, the Middle-East has been tearing itself apart for the last few conturies and North America hasn't - the greatest conflicnt in North America was probably the American Civil War in the 1860's.

At a certain point it was beyond invasion and became a matter of the people living here - there was a skirmish over land between America and Mexico in like the 1840's - particularly concerning Texas which at that point was independant -

- But that is it - The US has made not attempts to expand its boarders - Canada, Mexico and the US have had stable boarders for a long time.

I think that says something about America. We agree about Yassin.

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April 9, 2004 - 01:45 AM

Luke,
you are correct - I have never been to Mexico. However, I do know some Mexicans and they have expressed their views on the US to me. Maybe we have just met differently opiniated Mexicans. But please do not tell me I have no idea what Im talking about. If I had no idea, I wouldnt pretend I had.
And:
"I think it says something when Europe, Asia, the Middle-East has been tearing itself apart for the last few conturies and North America hasn't"
- sorry to disappoint you but North America as we know it has only been around for a few centuries. Culture and customs and identity are no way near as rigid as they are in the "old world"

Anyway, this is the wrong place for this discussion. On the matter at hand, Im glad we agree about Yassin, and I would like to hear what those who disagree think.

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April 9, 2004 - 02:07 AM

I believe that America espoused Islamic militants with finances to fight against USSR some decades back and at the present, they provide with the moral support smile

The so-called attacks against terror make the task easy for the militant leaders to gather youth in their undertakings,

Luke , comprehend the history , perceive it from a open mind, and go through all the postings here, then you would understand what the USA, CIA did which contributed for the wretchedness of the world peace and the current predicaments in the middle east.

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April 10, 2004 - 06:36 AM

Kiaser - I think you are fundamentally wrong when you say that the US is only concerned with things that concern them directly.

Part of the reason we have so many troops in places like Bosnia is because we are concerned with things that do not directly concern us.

The reason we have so many troops in South Korea is the same.

But certainly the US has made mistakes - every country has, and we are only human - Vietnam would be an example.

The mistake we made in Afghanistan is disengaging after the collapse of the Soviet Union - our sudden disinterest is what allowed it to be a haven for terrorists.

Is it easy to blame America for all of the problems in the middle-east - but you seem to be crediting us with an awftle lot of control that I don't think we have.

Up until the invasion of Iraq - the CIA may have had a hand in middle estern affairs - but it was more dealing with the politics - the radical mullahs, the super wealthy Saudi's like the Bin Ladens, the Baathist regeimes in places like Syria.

The people most responsible for the mess in the middle-east - are the people living in the middle-east.

This is obvious.

Udara - you want to hoist blame on America for the disorganized mess that has become the Arab culture - but we are not responsible for their education - their health care, their religious values.

It is their job - not ours - to create a moderate atmosphere. The CIA was in essence the US trying to deal with this volitile dangerous part of the world.

We did not create the Volitility - we did not create all the danger - it has been around for hundreds of years. Its not like 100 years ago the middle - east was peaceful.

Iraq is the first time the US has even been an occupying power - before us it was the English and French - and before them it was the Ottomans.

Anyway - Udara - your view is too simple.

We all see the world through the prism of our own culture - and you are just as enamored of your as I am of mine.

Instaed of dealing from the assumption that America is wrong in all it does - open your mind and recognise the complex problem before you.

But we had to deal with the Middle-East basically because it has oil - so which we depend on - so we had to be involved.

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April 10, 2004 - 12:24 PM

It did not end decades back my man. They also supported Taliban movement, because of oil interest - they needed somebody to safeguard the pipeline-to-be running over afghanistan to the Pakistan. Of course the well know american LACK OF UNDERSTANDING resulted in Taliban winning every battle, but then turning against supporters at the time on most terrible way. Inviting Osama.

Americans think if its not happening directly to them and only to others, then it cannot effect them. Big mistake, ma dear Yankees.

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