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Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 11, 2004 - 12:40 PM
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First Steps Taken Towards Sharia Law In Canada!
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/87502.php?theme=default
If the parties accepted to go to the Islamic court and the Islamic court ordered one of them to be foot and hand amputated based on Quran or ordered one of them should be stoned to death based on Hadith and Sharia law, should we accept or even go and watch or better than that to participitate in those magnificent ceremonies and throw stones?!!!
If you are praying hard that a day will come that you can watch stoning to death live near Parliment Hill of Ottawa, behold, you can still watch it here. I know it's not as fun as watching it live but it's still amusing!!
Watch it with your family and other kids!! and do not forget the pop corn.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
If you need more amusement, let me know!! I will send you also Quranic cermonies of amupatations of hands and feet.
If you need the Quranic verses that order amputations, just let me know. You will get it!
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 11, 2004 - 01:11 AM
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Yeah... I saw the special on CBC news the other night. The Current radio show also ran some interviews a few days ago (http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2004/200403/20040308.html).
My understanding was that these would be civil aribtration panels which both parties would have to agree to use AND that the results from these panels would be subject to review by regular Canadian courts before being implemented.
That said... there were A LOT of Canadian Muslims interviewed who objected strongly to these arbitration courts. There are real questions of what it means to voluntarily agree to use them. If there is a lot of pressure within a community to use them, would someone be able to say "No, I want to go the regular court route?" Given the recent stats on the higher rates of domestic violence suffered by Canadian women who are recent immigrants (who are less aware of Canadian laws and support services), there is a real question as to whether Muslim women who are recent immigrants would feel comfortable saying no to a sharia arbitration route.
Beyond that, there is a serious question of which interpretation of sharia would be applied. The CBC story mentioned something about people having a choice between 4 versions (help me out on this... I don't know enough about sharia to understand what was being referred to). It makes me wonder about Muslims themselves (particularly women) are knowledgable enough about the various interpretations of sharia to make an informed decision about which interpretation they would like applied in their case.
There are a lot more questions than answers at this point.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 11, 2004 - 01:40 AM
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Sharia is a cruelty in letters. Thats should be abolished asap everywhere. Roman law, which is older sholud be applied everywehere instead.
Ave Futuria
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 11, 2004 - 02:13 AM
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Why do you think there should be one universal law? And why an old legal system based on an understanding of the world and humanity which is antiquated?
Canada is working hard at trying to figure out if it is possible to have one state with a variety of forms of governance.... and is looked on as a source of hope by many pluralistic countries.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 11, 2004 - 05:10 AM
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I ment: Just anything else in existance instead of Sharia which is clearly the worse and most cruel existing legal system.
If u offer finger, u'll loose the hand, the body & life.
Ave Futuria
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 11, 2004 - 12:51 PM
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Well..
I don't think that would ever legally be allowed since it would go against Federal Canadian laws that out rank local or provincial laws.
In Canada, I think this would be even a greater topic than the current gay/lesbian rights that at the current forefront of the media.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 13, 2004 - 01:31 AM
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so xyz, which one of those schools has most tolerant explanations (surely not all are completely same?)
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 13, 2004 - 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by taikod
Yeah... I saw the special on CBC news the other night. The Current radio show also ran some interviews a few days ago (http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2004/200403/20040308.html).
My understanding was that these would be civil aribtration panels which both parties would have to agree to use AND that the results from these panels would be subject to review by regular Canadian courts before being implemented.
That said... there were A LOT of Canadian Muslims interviewed who objected strongly to these arbitration courts. There are real questions of what it means to voluntarily agree to use them. If there is a lot of pressure within a community to use them, would someone be able to say "No, I want to go the regular court route?" Given the recent stats on the higher rates of domestic violence suffered by Canadian women who are recent immigrants (who are less aware of Canadian laws and support services), there is a real question as to whether Muslim women who are recent immigrants would feel comfortable saying no to a sharia arbitration route.
Beyond that, there is a serious question of which interpretation of sharia would be applied. The CBC story mentioned something about people having a choice between 4 versions (help me out on this... I don't know enough about sharia to understand what was being referred to). It makes me wonder about Muslims themselves (particularly women) are knowledgable enough about the various interpretations of sharia to make an informed decision about which interpretation they would like applied in their case.
There are a lot more questions than answers at this point.
Thank you.
Do you mean that after the verdict of the Islamic panel one of the parties, can reject it and then they should go to Canadian civil court?
However I do not think it will also solve the problem, the parties might have families in Islamic countries and rejecting the Islamic court verdict might cause problems for HER family.
Is this kind of privilege has also been given to any other religion in Canada?
About your question,
Maddhab (مذهب is an Islamic term that refers to a school of thought or religious jurisprudence (fiqh) within Sunni Islam. Each of the Sahabbis had a unique school of jurisprudence, but these schools were gradually consolidated or discarded so that there are currently four recognized schools: Maliki, Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali.
Shiite Islam has its own school of law, the Jafari, founded by the sixth Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhab
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 17, 2004 - 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
so xyz, which one of those schools has most tolerant explanations (surely not all are completely same?)
Ave Futuria
A really tough question for me atleast.
I do not know. May be others can help me. But I know all of them believe in Quran and Hadith. As Shiates believe in 12 Imams they have a lot more intolerance ideas to believe. If you asked which one is the worst, I would pick Shiats, but to pick the best one, I really do not know.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 17, 2004 - 05:50 AM
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To be sincere i assumed Shia's were most likely to "push forward" with anything similar to reform. ( Coz they in Iran let women take increasingly important role..?)
And i assumed these in Saudi Arabia were not directed towards progress in social field.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 17, 2004 - 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
To be sincere i assumed Shia's were most likely to "push forward" with anything similar to reform. ( Coz they in Iran let women take increasingly important role..?)
And i assumed these in Saudi Arabia were not directed towards progress in social field.
Ave Futuria
You are right. That's because they ignored a lot of Sharia laws, but if they really want to follow all of the rules, it would be much worse.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 18, 2004 - 03:13 AM
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The issue of sharia is one which i dont think is as bad as it is in my country Nigeria.As u might be aware or must have heard of the case of Amina Lawal who got impregnanted by her boyfriend.The parents who were stunch muslims dragged her out and made the fact public knowing fully well that the penalty according to sharia is death;but thanks to the intervention of other countries if not she would have been a victim of a brutal and inhuman slaughter. Think of other victims whose plight u do not know of and can't begin to imagine.The existence of sharia should not be encouraged and i pray that other countries should fight agains passing it into law.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 22, 2004 - 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by mecury
The issue of sharia is one which i dont think is as bad as it is in my country Nigeria.As u might be aware or must have heard of the case of Amina Lawal who got impregnanted by her boyfriend.The parents who were stunch muslims dragged her out and made the fact public knowing fully well that the penalty according to sharia is death;but thanks to the intervention of other countries if not she would have been a victim of a brutal and inhuman slaughter. Think of other victims whose plight u do not know of and can't begin to imagine.The existence of sharia should not be encouraged and i pray that other countries should fight agains passing it into law.
It was a really sad story.
We put a petition for her on our website www.faithfreedom.org for people to sign.
It seems all protests were effective as her stoning to death punishment was postponed.
May be it is not a bad idea to also put a petition for her on TIG.
That’s really sad. And all is because the witness value of a woman is half of men. A woman can not claim of being raped if there was not any other woman to attest, therefore after pregnancy of the poor girl there is no other conclusion than adultery has been committed and its punishment is stoning to death.
Luke, it is the same thing that you always wanted me to avoid telling people? Or you do not care her life and life of thousands of other innocent people but your concern is the hits of TIG site, its popularity and whether your Muslim friends are insulted or not?
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
March 29, 2004 - 06:48 AM
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Speaking about sharia law, it seems odd that under sharia law, if one steals, they get a limb amputated, but if one commits murder thay only have to pay blood-money to the family of their victim and they can walk free.
Under sharia law, if one has an adulterous relationshup they get to be stoned to death.
If anyone needs to see the evidence of these requirements of sharia law or evidence of these punishments being carried out in our modern world, let me know and I will post the information.
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Re: Stoning to death in Canadian cities!!! Sould we go and watch?!!!
April 1, 2004 - 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by xyz2002
Is this kind of privilege has also been given to any other religion in Canada?
Not with other religions, per se, but with varying cultural groups.
The strongest examples in Canada include:
* Quebec - has a very different legal structure than the rest of the provinces and territories, based on the French civil law system *see http://142.206.72.67/04/04b/04b_005_e.htm for a bit of background)
* Aboriginal self-governance - there are negotiations underway at various levels in Canada regarding the degree to which aboriginal groups are empowered to establish their own governance structures. The outcomes of these negotiations most often recognize a broad range of First
Nation government powers that must operate within the framework of the Canadian constitutional order, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (see http://www.turtleisland.org/news/abgov2015.pdf)
These previous/ongoing experiments in mutliple/flexible governance systems are the background against which the new attempts to figure out potential sharia law systems need to be considered. All in all, the Canadian legal system has been very consistent in saying that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms MUST be the primary guiding rule for ALL people in Canada. Within that, there is some flexibility for who makes decisions and how - recognizing the cultural diversity and varying claims of groups within Canada.
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