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"Poverty" Rural - Urban
March 9, 2004 - 10:58 AM
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Major population of the world live in rural villages estimated 55% in developed countries and 70% in develping countries, some more and in some countries is less.
Among these rural population 60% or more has less land or no land. Majority of those having small land is because of land division among increased number of family. If father / mother have one land that is divided among all children so this small land is not enough to make as source of income. In many cases the lands are less fertile that does not give enough earnings to support family so opted for agricultural employment. That employment became as support.
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Re: "Poverty" Rural - Urban
March 9, 2004 - 01:52 AM
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Zimbabwe is a bad example os making a solutions.
Such a quality land u see, but agriculture on low level.
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Re: "Poverty" Rural - Urban
March 9, 2004 - 12:01 PM
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its really a reality for here in africa, 80% of the population live in rural areas.the land alowed for them is with more problems than those in urban areas.this is due to land ownership problems and inherited land disputes from parents.the allocation of land cause misery for the people.again if there is land in the rural areas,the government of especially third world countries does not look at the people in the rural areas.
its better that our attention be turn to these ares which needs prime attention.
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land reform in Zimbabwe
March 10, 2004 - 01:19 AM
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Kaiser I didnt quite get what you said about Zimbabwe but let say that the idea of rural development stems from the need to provide resources for every individual for them to prosper. in Zim the colonial history pushed the majority of the blacks to occupy only 1/3 of the fertile land whilst 2/3 remained in the hands of less than 20 000 whites in a country of over 10 million. It is this skewed state of affairs that saw the blacks from mainly crowded rural areas, forcing themselves onto farms, as Prince Will put it the issue of subdivisions getting smaller and smaller when your land is infertile cannot be sustained and that was how the land reform of 2000 began
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Re: "Poverty" Rural - Urban
March 10, 2004 - 05:05 AM
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Sure i would want u to get all the land completely back ( i dont like arrogant british lordship anyway). But not at such fast pace. Instead of distributing the land which was not owned by whites but was national, your govt. decided to go straight to the essence. and that are white "owned" farms. Now here comes the problem. Whites r professionals at what they do - and that is farming. They can sustain and preserve effective level of agriculture. Now as you took your land back you lost that much needed experience they got. now u'll have to train people urself in expensive schools in Europe. But i doubt govt is even prepared to go so far. (corruption, lack of funds as result).
I can understand why taking such way. Its politics. And to gain points on that field you need to be populistic - make urself popular with people. Whites have done such a big load of injustice so they are most likely to be used in this manner.
If you ask me how would i treat the problem if i were black and african and citizen of Zimbabwe, i'd gave white farmers some money and one way ticket to London, but only after i would make sure i have a good replacement for them among my own people. Then we have a routine and no more a problem.
Thats it. For comments or extra ideas, lets continue this topic. I can be "harrased" by tig messenger too 
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timothy ban
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sure.....land reform but!
March 11, 2004 - 02:14 AM
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I agree with you Kaiser that fast track was in some sorts a populistic approach especially with elections that were underway in 2000 and as such a lot more could have been done to ensure fair farm identification, beneficiaries and some kind of hand over take over programme. But the problems were two way most of the farmers were not willing to cooperate as well as the problem of farm occupiers taking a militaristic approach to dialogue by looting and poaching in the process whilst government turned a blind eye,. You talked about compensation, Zimbabwe went through different phases of land reform ten years after independence they undertook the willing buyer willing seller approach but most of the land they got from the whites was marginal and unproductive.
They then undertook the government acquisition with compensation but the process was slow further the government argued that Britain had pledged to financially support the program by compensating whites during Margret Thatcher stinch as Prime Minister, however when Tony Blair's government refused to honour the agreement the government decided to stop compensation.
The support that the white farmers gave to the MDC that is the opposition party, proved to be a thorn in the flesh of the government who were given a rude awakening of the power posessed by the MDC when a government supported constitution referendum was rejected and thats when the political game began to take a more violent turn.
Whatever injustice occured is very unfortunate and should be opposed in all respect but there are critical issues that should be taken into account
1. there is no reversal of the land reform that is possible at this stage
2. there was a serious decline in the economic performance of the country such that even now the majority is suffering especially with the increasing scurge of HIV/AIDS and an unpredictable rainy season we need international support
3. that this might become a phenomenon popular in the region of Southern Africa where land ownership is still skewed in favour of whites, here I am talking about South Africa and Nambia who seem to be going through isolated cases of disgrundlement by rural communities. Namibia has actually started government aquisition with compensation, whilst South Africa passed a law to this effect, but my question is with South Africa and Namibia having a larger population of whites than Zimbabwe, who have a stronger bond with land because of earlier settlement and the fact that (criminal or otherwise)violence in South Africa is on record as being very high is this not a worse disaster waitng to happen!
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South Africa: a positive future amid chronic poverty?
April 20, 2004 - 12:57 PM
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South Africa: a positive future amid chronic poverty?
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In the month during which South Africa celebrates its first ten years of democracy by returning to the polls, id21's first Guest Editor, South African Richard Hasler, critically engages with research on the causes of chronic poverty in Africa.
On election day the Rand stood at R6.50 to the US dollar. Twenty-eight months ago the Rand was valued at over R13 to the US dollar. South Africans have not become twice as wealthy, but those with property, land, natural resources and wealth have enhanced their value. Across the border however, the Zimbabwean dollar has fallen from Z$13 to the
US dollar before the land crisis in 1997 to below Z$6000. Chronic poverty exists in both countries but there is a qualitative and quantitative difference between the economic outlooks in each: whilst South Africa's is positive, with people looking forward to a better
life ahead, Zimbabwe's is primarily negative. The dramatic difference, argues Hasler, lies in governance. More…
You can read the rest of of Hasler's editorial at
www.id21.org/id21-info/guesteds/haslerapril04.html
Richard is id21's first Guest Editor. His editorial critically engages with the following selection of id21 Research Highlights:
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The curse of remoteness: Why some African households fail to benefit from economic growth
Economic growth in some African countries has improved the well-being of the poorest. However, in remote areas poverty remains entrenched. New research argues that Africa's economic growth will not be translated into poverty reduction until the poor are given better access to markets and to basic infrastructure, such as roads.
More at http://www.id21.org/society/s1clc1g1.html
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Land reform in Zimbabwe - good for poor black farmers?
Zimbabwe's fast-track land reform has had a bad press. Reports of violence and intimidation have obscured the reality that formal procedures used to settle black farmers in model villages bear a striking resemblance to earlier colonial procedures. Whilst colonial myths about African farmers as subsistence oriented and inefficient live on, evidence from south-eastern Zimbabwe suggests that the
reforms have benefited some poor black farmers.
More at http://www.id21.org/society/s1ajc1g1.html
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The crisis of land distribution in Southern Africa
Those who led southern African states to independence promised to redress the inequalities of settler colonialism by returning the land to the people. A generation later the rural poor are still waiting. Many lack access and full rights to agricultural land and, as developments in Zimbabwe and South Africa show, they are getting angry. Where did post-independence land reform policy go wrong?
More at http://www.id21.org/society/s1ael1g2.html
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Lost in space: Locating the chronically poor
People living in certain areas are often vulnerable to similar risks, increasing their chance of becoming chronically poor. At the same time, in some poor areas not everyone is poor, and not everyone who is poor will remain so for long. Where do 'pockets of poverty' exist and
why? Under what conditions can they become 'poverty traps'?
More at http://www.id21.org/insights/insights46/insights-iss46-art01.html
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Place matters: the challenge of survival in remote rural areas
Why are the inhabitants of remote rural areas (RRAs) chronically poor? Do we know enough about the effects of risk, exclusion and marginalisation for RRA residents? What is the relationship between remoteness and conflict? Do decentralisation and economic liberalisation offer any prospect of escape from spatial poverty traps?
More at http://www.id21.org/society/s5bkb1g1.html
Have your say
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id21, the development research reporting service, invites individuals working in all aspects of development (non-governmental agencies, activitism, government, community organisations and research) to apply to become a Guest Editor. See www.id21.org/id21-info/guest_editors.html for more information.
Please also send your thoughts on Richard's comments to id21 at insights@ids.ac.uk
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