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HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 4, 2004 - 06:06 AM
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The Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, UNAIDS reports that,
"The AIDS epidemic in Africa shows no signs of abating. Sub-Saharan Africa remains by far the region worst-affected by the AIDS epidemic. Between 25 and 28 million people are living with HIV/AIDS in the region."
If HIV/AIDS is a sexually transmitted diseases, then Africa is canot be the most affected region in the world. If HIV is so common in Africa, then unrotected sex is also common, but on the contrary, protected and unprotected sex is very uncommon in Africa, this is due to the high moral standard in Africa. There is always a gap between the male folks and the female folks in Africa unlike what we see in the media, about other countries, especially the western part.
The ordination of gay bishops in the western world, shows the level of moral decadence in that part. This also means that the peoeple of the region has little or no respect for the social stuctures of life. Automatically casual sex would be very rampant in that region.
A Nigerian doctor once told me that tha vaccines being used to test people for HIV in Nigeria are Malaria Vaccines. I believe this because of the latese result that shown that in Benue State, Nigeria, 90% are HIV positive. From a social view, that cannot be possible. The people of that region are has high morals and are religios as well. Sex before marraige is regarded has taboo in that region.
Also, if HIV makes people so thin, then we would have been seeing thin and weak people in our enviroment. But I do not see people like that. I have not heard of a close person who has been said to die of AIDS. I see them in movies.
The rate at which the media potrays Africa's Image concerning HIV/AIDS is unfavourable to Africa has a continent. The publication of this 'erroneus fact' makes people scare at the mention of Africa, thus making people scared of investing their mone in Africa.
In conclusion, Africa, a moral land can never be hit by a diseases transmitted by sex, an uncommon act in that region. Let African Leaders take control of this issue and get to the truth on an African Platform. The westerners should not be trusted with this!
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Source of Information?
March 4, 2004 - 07:40 AM
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I fail to see your reasoning. It's the United Nations Programme, perhaps the most credible, global source of information. The UN is made up of and funded by all member states of the world, not a Western conspiracy to discredit Africa's moral standard. Are there any stats proving it's not actually happening in Africa? If we are to offer a global response to the greatest scourge this planet has faced, we have to face the reality and act towards a solution.
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Social Point of View
March 4, 2004 - 07:54 AM
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I am talking from the social point of view in Africa. There is not stat supporting my points. Why should there be any statistic supporting my view. I live in the society and I observed these things.
If you have ever been in Africa, you would know what I am talking about. I wont talk about the issue of western conspiracy against Africa. THose who know what hapened in history are aware of the tendency of the western countries to encroach other peoples land. During the American Iraqi war, the UN was against the motion of fighting the war, but America did, and went away with it. So who controls the UN.
Do you think poor countries have a say in it. Common we are fools no more. All what we want is the proper investigatin of the true nature of the HIV thing. And this should b done by Africans themselves.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 4, 2004 - 08:13 AM
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wow... I'll hold back any only respond to two of your points.
First, Africa has, by far, the highest rate of infection as well as carriers of AIDS in the world. This obviously varies from country to country, but is, nonetheless true. To call the UN liars is pretty strange.. do you have any information to prove that they are wrong?
Second, your comment regarding gay bishops has absolutely NOTHING to do with our society in the least. I have some numbers for you here, from the CIA Factbook which compiles data from every country in the world.
Here are some comparissions between Nigeria and Canada.
Average age: N: 18 C: 38
Infant mortality rate: N: 71/1000 C: 5/1000
Life expectancy at birth: N: 51 C: 80
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: N: 5.8% (2001 est) C: 0.3%
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS: N: 3.5 million (2001 est) C: 55,000
HIV/AIDS - deaths: N: 170,000 C: less than 500
The USA has 0.6% of their population living with AIDS. Nigeria has more than 6x the rate that the western world does.
So, 6% of your population has AIDS, you likely don't see them. If you look at other countries, you find these numbers...
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate in Zimbabwe: 33.6%
Obviously this is MUCH higher. As far as African countries go, Nigeria has RELATIVELY few AIDS cases, although it still is significantly higher than western rates.
Just because you don't see something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I don't see anyone dying of AIDS out my window, but I know that there are people who have it.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 4, 2004 - 08:32 AM
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Hugh,
Like I said earlier on, my ideas are original and are based on social observations. I said. If HIV is a sexually transmitted diseases, then Africa would definately be the most affectd region. This are my original onservation and I need no information from anywhere to prove it. You all know the high standard of morals in Africa. If you are not blinded by what you see in the media.
Your facts come from two western controlled organisations. And they cannot be trusted. My alarm is a Black Affair. Solving our prolems our selves. I would never rely on the statistic from a western controlled organisation.
Yes I call UN liars because thats what they are naturally. We all know those who control the UN.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 5, 2004 - 01:04 AM
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And after that you woke up.
(!!!!!!!!!!)
Ave Futuria
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 5, 2004 - 01:16 AM
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If anyone wants to know where the ideas in Aime-NLLL-Olenga's posting are coming from ... They are based on work done by David Horowitz (http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/NR010708.html). He is a very controversial speaker and writer with a long list of university degrees. But, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's TRUTH.
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About AIDS and HIV...
March 5, 2004 - 02:44 AM
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Thanks dear I heard you when you talked about the UN, please try to read the book 'The New World Order and the Throne of the Anti-christ'. Then you will see that United Nations was formed after League of Nations with one purpose.
After destroying other people soverainty and brought then under the odd influences of the "independance" meaning "in - dependance or simply inside the dependance.
From the time other people convene themselves to that non sense gotten from the whips of the same colonizers... then the Kaukazian supremacist won and today dominate the entire world as we see it.
When you bring about this question of AIDS and Ebony high culture sex behaviours, you will see then the proximiscuity sex trends was brought by the same invaders on our ancestral lands. I have to agree with you that it is quite impossible that the UN under whom this disease and many others ( such as Hepatitis, Ebola, Small pox...)was manufactured to exterminate colour people especially the blacks who are being taught in north american schoools to be disappearing by 2045.
And when one reads the Memorendum 46 signed by the american president Nixon in 1971, and sent to that same UN as the guideline of the world cleansing... that mapped the extermination /assassination of the world population by 75%
and the 25% that will be left... guess who that will be?
AIDS was manufactured by French, German, British and American governments purposely to kill all non Kaukazian especially blax and their homosexual pleague. Afterward it was introduced into the so-called african forest so that blax would accelerate their departure to the heaven of their god will.
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 6, 2004 - 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by dgreatafrican
Like I said earlier on, my ideas are original and are based on social observations. I said. If HIV is a sexually transmitted diseases, then Africa would definately be the most affectd region.
Um.. HIV IS a sexually tranmitted disease. I hope you knew that already. It can also be transfered through other means such as needles, bodily fluids etc.
Your facts come from two western controlled organisations. And they cannot be trusted. My alarm is a Black Affair. Solving our prolems our selves. I would never rely on the statistic from a western controlled organisation.
Well, do you have some statistics that you believe are true? Other than your own observations of course.
Yes I call UN liars because thats what they are naturally. We all know those who control the UN.
Who controls the UN then? Canada? The USA? I think not. If the USA controlled the UN, then they wouldn't have been opposed when they went to war with Iraq.
Originally posted by Quansah
Worse, many adults indulge in children sex... something unheard of back home but very popular among the most powerful people in the western world.
wow... I can't belive that you think that that is true. Give me a reliable source that proves that, because I strongly oppose that lie.
Originally posted by Aime-NLLL-Olenga
Why do you think that North american schools are teaching africa extermination....???
Sorry, where in North America do they teach this? They certainly don't in Canada, and I don't believe that they do in the USA either. This is just a blatent lie.
Many people do not have AIDS or HIV from sex many people and infants are contaminated by the medical system that gives them contaminated blood so dear, you better watch what you say because I could be very rough if you push me to.
Can you prove this? Many people don't have access to medial help in the first place, so how would they get AIDS? ah ha! UNPROTECTED sex.
Originally posted by segsy
another thing is that information made us known thatTHIS DISEASE IS NOT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE IN THE WESTERN WORLD.
Actually, it is. It is likely the second highest reason people contract AIDS in the "western world" and it may be #1..
Originally posted soulconcern
hi, about the AIDS issue... I basically do not care how one got the virus, whether they were sleeping around or whatever, what I do care about is that Africa is dying and no-one wants to help!
Well.. this has many parts and problems, but you're right. On a world basis, no one does care. The problem is that corporations in the USA (for example) refuse to sell cheap drugs to African countries. They come up with poor excuses on why they shouldn't have to sell them for a low price. It barely costs them anything to produce the pills, but they still refuse to provide them..
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True facts about AIDS origin...
March 6, 2004 - 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by dgreatafrican
Hugh,
Like I said earlier on, my ideas are original and are based on social observations. I said. If HIV is a sexually transmitted diseases, then Africa would definately be the most affectd region. This are my original onservation and I need no information from anywhere to prove it. You all know the high standard of morals in Africa. If you are not blinded by what you see in the media.
Your facts come from two western controlled organisations. And they cannot be trusted. My alarm is a Black Affair. Solving our prolems our selves. I would never rely on the statistic from a western controlled organisation.
Yes I call UN liars because thats what they are naturally. We all know those who control the UN.
Well dgreatafrican;
I can see your point... people in the western world are having sex all the time. In fact people here start having sex at a very tender age... thirteen is considered here by law as the age of consent. And generally, people here will tell you that love is having sex... and for you to love someone, you have to sex that person. So, that can tell you how active people are in the western world.
Worse, many adults indulge in children sex... something unheard of back home but very popular among the most powerful people in the western world. If you want to know more about this evilness, please try to read this article about "THE LIST: Paedophiles, Mind Controllers, Satanists."
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Aime-NLLL_Olenga/message/1127
There you will see how evil these people really are.
As for AIDS, I will put you here part of a letter written by Dr. Robert Greaves to President Clinton about the origin of AIDS and if you want more or the full text, you can check http://pub34.ezboard.com/fmaamayanagadzikaafrm10.showMessage?topicID=363.topic
Many people wish so hard to dismiss what you will see below...
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TO: WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
March 6, 2004 - 03:39 AM
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Reply Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF AIDS!!!
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February 15, 1999
TO: WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
SUBJECT: DEMAND FOR APOLOGY AND REPARATIONS FOR THE CREATION PRODUCTION AND
PROLIFERATION OF THE HIV ENZYME
Dear Mr. President:
As a consequence of the abridgment of the national press and media, I write today, this ‘Presidents’ Day’, to demand a resolute apology for the creation, production and proliferation of the human immunodeficiency virus (herein referred; the “SPECIAL VIRUS” . It is important to note that Dr. Gallo has facilitated the derivative of names, beginning first with the name: Human T-cell Leukemia/Lymphoma virus. Then Dr. Gallo changed the name to Human T-cell lymphotropic virus and subsequently to HIV. The experts believe the name change was a significant step in the process of disinformation to the world public. In actuality, the special virus is a contagious cancer that is the bi-product of our “United States Special Virus cancer Program” which began officially in 1962. It is worthy to note, our government, as well as others around the world, have persisted in venues of population control and eugenics, since the turn of the century.
The Congressional Black Caucus has committed to a de novo review of the supportive evidence, however, it is the full U. S. Congress that must prioritize this matter. The U. S. Congress with your fervent leadership must steadfastly pursue the re-education of the American people by publicly “exposing” and rapidly and deliberately “closing” this matter. The issue of the iatrogenic origin and development of the “special virus” is ‘unparalleled’ in recorded history, superseding the invention of the wheel and the discovery of fire. Our national security, increasingly intertwined with that of the world’s, requires your immediate attention.
These demands are presented on behalf of Americans who have suffered and/or been killed as a direct result of our “special virus” federal program. Under separate cover, I will alert the Secretary General of the United Nations.
I write today in my capacity as lead plaintiff in the federal lawsuit for reparations and damages. As you are so intimately aware, we are a strong nation and a nation of laws. Accordingly, it is conceptually possible to genuinely forgive our scientists and the national press. Let the people of the United States, together with our scientists and press, consider our ever evolving science of human gene manipulation. If we allow this program to continue in secret, none of us will survive the inevitable darkness affiliated with the extinction of the human race. It is exceedingly clear our national press has been abridged and our Constitution infringed. We are appropriately enacting the available processes incumbent in this demand for an immediate Executive Order.
Our American history is replete with repayment and apology to its citizens for American violations of human and constitutional rights. Most recently, we have placed HIV Positive hemophiliacs in this class of persons. Previously, we have included the participants of the Tuskegee study. The ensuing synopsis of evidence presented herein conclusively proves a right to reparations for people with HIV/AIDS. We are a class of Americans who have experienced physical, psychological, economical and societal demise. But for the intentional, deliberate and intensive efforts of our government, we would not be so encumbered.
Fifteen years ago, the American Association for the Advancement of Science accurately concluded the government’s “special virus” (HIV) ‘is a new pathogenic agent produced via human manipulation of genes’. Following the Association’s conference, foreign scientists returned home and informed their leaders of the “new” U.S. virus. One need look no further than a speech given by then South African President, P. W. Botha on August 18, 1985:
Our Combat Unity is now training special White girls in the use of slow poisoning drugs. Ours is not a war we can use the atomic bomb to destroy the Blacks, so we must use our intelligence to effect this. The person-to-person encounter can be very effective. As the records show that the Black man is dying to go to bed with the White woman, here is our unique opportunity...We have received a new supply of prostitutes from Europe and America...
Mr. President, these are the words of a minority White government. The tenor of his complete remarks and the “scientific secrets” claimed to be held with the United States demand a further expose of the true aims and objectives of the ‘special virus” program. Further, the recently declassified National Security Defense Memorandum #314 (NSDM #314) leaves little doubt as to our country’s secret and aggressive agenda of depopulation. Henry Kissinger Memorandum #45 is consistent with a majority White government depopulation scheme. Our aims, in support of our national security, require immediate concern and intervention. I respectfully request that my prior articulations to the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the New York Times newspapers, be incorporated into this request for immediate presidential intervention. Based on the following facts, it is eminently clear Americans, as well as others, have been killed, maimed and socially raped by an intentionally vicious depopulation and eugenics agenda of the United States of America:
For more, check the link above...
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Re: HIV/AIDS: Can this be true?
March 6, 2004 - 06:18 AM
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Lucky for all AIDS is not an disease such as bird flu (highly contagous - spreads thru air).
Well. Lots of things to do. Lots of research to do and all.
Get busy.
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Aids and it's origin
March 6, 2004 - 06:38 AM
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I am one of those who do not believe in skin segregation or whatever form of segregation but reading from the arguments on the authenticity or existence of the HIV virus, I think our canadian friends are really showing us that there is more to AIDS than meets the eye. The question remains: why did a so call disease emanate from America and is now more in the black Africa than in anywhere in the world. I once told somebody that there is a possibility of the Africans being pushed out or eradicated from their land probably to create space for the chinese or Americans since they are getting too much for their land (that was like 10years ago). Now is AIds real? I have been hearing of figures and figures but I've not seen a single person with AIDS. Are we been deceived so that some people can get grants in millions all in the name of spreading the good news? or to sell the ever unsafe condoms that was supposed to protect against the infections. We have more indiscipline in America and European countries with regards to sex, why are they not having the higher figures? Why Africa? There is more immorality and unprotected sex in Asia? Why Africa? In Africa, we are no saints but we are still disciplined about sex. Is it because the people don't talk or protest? It was not until the South African president said there is no AIDS in his country before quietness was known on the issue. I am still waiting for someone to convince me that there is really AIDS. I don't believe in the UN figures, they are just numbers created by them for reasons best known to them. At least the higher the number given, the higher the budget will be in dollars or whatever currency. In conclusion, if there is AIDS in Africa, then it is was been spread in another form by the scientists that found it during their numerous tests for weapon of mass destruction.
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AFRICA NOT TO BE BLAMED...
March 6, 2004 - 07:08 AM
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hi, about the AIDS issue... I basically do not care how one got the virus, whether they were sleeping around or whatever, what I do care about is that Africa is dying and no-one wants to help! you see in Malawi, most of the people who have AIDS now, got it during an era where their leader convinced everyone that AIDS is a 'white mans desease' and so doctors would use unsterelised needles to inject hundreds of people therefore infecting a multitude of them. It is now that the tragedy is unfolding as millions lie on their death beds because of one man's foolishness.
this has created an unfortunate situation whereby children are left to fend for themselves while parents are either dying or dead. this has had a huge impact on the famine crisis also in southern africa because there is no-one to work the land, Malawi owes millions of money to the IMF so the leaders cant do much to alliviate the hunger, aid is being given but only in the form of Genetically Modified foods (GMO), which, if consumed, could have more negative health impacts on the community of Africa. (Inspite Africa's plea for non GM food aid, America insists on it, this of course is another topic alltogether) I could go on to explain the reason why this is ALLOWED TO HAPPEN to beefit multinationals such as Cargill and America, but that would take up so much time plus I will need to research some more so that whatever I say has got relevant data to back it up.
so to whosoever thinks Africa is to be blamed for its unfortunate position is a foolish person who needs to read on politics of the global economy, for those who have, you may think I am a hard core neo-marxist in my views, I do not care, I am simply TELLING IT AS IT IS!!!!
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Hiv,Aids and it's origin
March 6, 2004 - 07:10 AM
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Nothing can ever get me convinced about the origin and existence of HIV/AIDS.Human immuno deficiency syndrome can only be explain from my own point of view as over speculation of a failed experimental analysis.you see we don't have to deceive ourselves morality in African country is as high as any thing you can imagine.What is not clear to me is the first person that found out this disease.another thing is that information made us known thatTHIS DISEASE IS NOT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE IN THE WESTERN WORLD.so the question now is how come we AFRICANS get ours through sexual activities.And that what is the mode of tranmission of this disease in the western world.the fact still remain that this disease emanated from this region.On the question of united nation(UN) stastics on the total number of people living with HIV/AIDS.I think it more of assumption base on the history of other diseases that is affecting Africans.I do not dought them but the fact is not always the truth at all cases.Hiv/AIDS throughly may be existing but i dought if is the most deadly disease as been speculated.i do not believe in UN,nor any organisation that do not show how they come by this figures of analysis,but only tell us the number of people living with this speculated disease.if we can have one voice you see that the idea of HIV figure in Africa will not be a thing to worry about."ONLY THEM KNOW THE EXISTENCE, ONLY THEM UNDERSTAND HOW IT LOOK LIKE".
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