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Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
February 23, 2004 - 10:41 AM
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i get into lower levels of confusion when i hear many say that the mode of dressing is a major contributing factor to the spread of HIV/AIDS. what is your view is it a co-factor or just used us scape-goat?
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
February 23, 2004 - 05:59 AM
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OH COMEON!
Once again we blame things on first thing that "morality" finds it conflicting. "western dressing way" is now main propaganda element for all religious groups for which they claim it is the cause for all bad.
So if you live in Saudi Arabia you dont have any problems of any kind?
Main problem for AIDS is mind, uneducated mind.
WHAT U DONT KNOW, WILL HURT YOU.
You must know, and know a lot to get thru life good.
Ave Futuria
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
February 23, 2004 - 12:14 PM
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It is purely a way, mainly for men, to blame the infection of a sexual partner on the way they dress or act...
..."she was trying to seduce me..." "...you can't tell me she didn't want it - look at that dress and the makeup"...
It isn't an acceptable excuse for sexual assault, why should it be an acceptable excuse for the transmission of HIV/AIDS
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
February 24, 2004 - 01:48 AM
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Once we will overcome AIDS. But at what costs its yet to learn. Lets hope costs wont be ultimate!
Ave Futuria
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AIDS of the mind
February 24, 2004 - 01:55 AM
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Im from Zimbabwe in southern africa and one of the worst hit regions by the pandemic and also from one the worst hit cultures by western styles and behaviour. There has not been any research to prove that seductive dressing or otherwise has a direct impact on the rates of infection however in countries such as Zimbabwe dressing is an indicator of the type of lifestyle one prefers to be associated with, unfortunately this is largely heresay and is neither hear no there and in most cases results in false labeling of ones (women) social and moral standing.
by and large the problem of AIDS is manifested through societies behaviour.......dressing is one of the components of societies behaviour!
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
December 27, 2004 - 02:34 AM
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QUOTE:
"Im from Zimbabwe in southern africa and one of the worst hit regions by the pandemic and also from one the worst hit cultures by western styles and behaviour."
Coincidence, perhaps...?
I am not Afrikaan, so perhaps it is presumptuous of me to address this situation. However, I firmly believe that women adopting western dress is NOT a causative factor in the AIDS epidemic; if anything, perhaps it has made the situation a little better than it would've been otherwise.
In cultures where women are subject to a "dress code", they inevitably lack equal human and civil rights as well; if their freedom of dress is not respected, then their independence and personal autonomy is not respected. Women who are not free to dress as they wish are doubtless also not free to refuse unwanted sexual advances, to decline arranged marriages, to practice birth control and family planning, etc.
In a culture where women are not free to resist sexual advances/ assaults, AIDS is inevitably going to be a bigger problem than in a country where women enjoy greater autonomy and personal freedom. And you are correct; clothes say a lot about culture. For instance, a woman wearing a bikini by choice obviously has far more power and freedom than a woman forced to conceal herself from head to toe in some stifling bhurka. While the woman in the bikini may be a greater TEMPTATION to sexual predators, she is also the one who has the power to say, "NO!". The woman who is forced to wear the bhurka is a far easier target for sexual assault, since she obviously does not have her society's permission to challenge, deny, or fend off a man, even one who is intent on harming her. A society which doesn't give women the freedom to attire themselves as they please will also not give women protection against male predators. Thus, since men have free reign to do anything they want, knowing their victims will never be believed or taken seriously by the authorities anyway, you will see a marked increase in AIDS.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
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December 27, 2004 - 03:10 AM
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We have come to square one once more.Whats this about the dress code WE ALL KNOW SEX BEGGINS IN THE MIND STOP LYING TO YOURSELVES!.If you could be able to control your thirst or going to pee or hunger there is know way you could not control your sexual impulses!I say this MEN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR EYES WHILE WOMEN HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR EARS! MEN ARE LIKE ELECTRICITY WHILE WOMEN ARE LIKE A BURNING BUSH!Explanation:its mens nature that whatever they see in regards to anything that is seductive it turns them on ,while women on the other hand begin to feel so sweet inside when they are told how sexy they look in this and this outfit and so they tend dress up more and more provocatively and almost naked when they hear of these"praises".Men are turned on so firs while women it has to take time and when they get turned on it will be so difficult to turn it off. Please men we are not animals we can contro l our impulses IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DRESS CODE!!!!!!
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Ivy is completely right here
December 27, 2004 - 03:25 AM
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The suggestion that a woman's right to dress attractively makes her an acceptable victim for a sexual predator carrying HIV is absurd. Fear and ignorance keep people from knowing and learning about AIDS. Nobody should be so blissfully ignorant about AIDS so as to think they are above having an AIDS test done. So, I think the only real fueling factor is that people are willing to continue to be ignorant carriers of this horrific killer.
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
December 27, 2004 - 06:19 AM
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Why so far the Middle East Regoin is the least infected area in the world with AIDS epidemic??????
To xxxivy:
*"if anything, perhaps it has made the situation a little better than it would've been otherwise"... English Please
*"In cultures where women are subject to a "dress code", they inevitably lack equal human and civil rights as well; if their freedom of dress is not respected, then their independence and personal autonomy is not respected."....Ohhh REALLY, so you are in a sense, if I am not mistaken, imposing a dress code, whish is the BIKINI, I assume. So, what about the Chritistian NUNS, does the above mentioned statment apply to them? Are they oppressed, do not they enjoy equal right, their independence and personal autonomy are not respected?
*"For instance, a woman wearing a bikini by choice obviously has far more power and freedom than a woman forced to conceal herself from head to toe in some stifling bhurka. While the woman in the bikini may be a greater TEMPTATION to sexual predators, she is also the one who has the power to say, "NO!"... Why you are too much taking a woman as just a BODY, if a women is to uncover her body, she is a free woman enjoying all her human rights???? Wish that you consider a woman far beyond her body and physical attraction.
To humblevessel:
"So, I think the only real fueling factor is that people are willing to continue to be ignorant carriers of this horrific killer."... You put it so clearly and precisely, thanks.
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
December 27, 2004 - 08:22 AM
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QUOTE: ""... English Please"
Yes, indeed. Learn it.
QUOTE: "....Ohhh REALLY, so you are in a sense, if I am not mistaken, imposing a dress code, whish is the BIKINI, I assume. So, what about the Chritistian NUNS, does the above mentioned statment apply to them? Are they oppressed, do not they enjoy equal right, their independence and personal autonomy are not respected?"
You are mistaken (big surprise *rolls eyes*).
My exact statement was: "For instance, a woman wearing a bikini by choice obviously has far more power and freedom than a woman forced to conceal herself from head to toe in some stifling bhurka."
BY CHOICE is the operative phrase in this sentence; I am not attempting to "impose" anything on anyone.
A woman wearing a bhurka BY CHOICE has more power and freedom than a woman FORCED to wear a bikini.
A woman who is walking around naked BY CHOICE has more power and freedom than a woman who is FORCED to abide by any sort of dress code. A catholic nun who wears a habit BY CHOICE is exercising freedom and autonomy. On the other hand, a nun who is FORCED to wear a habit (or a bikini, or a bhurka, or anything else) is not. She has no power, no autonomy, and no human rights.
Dress code is about FORCE. Dress code is about dictating to the populace what they are and are not allowed to adorn their own bodies with. And a "dress code for women" is even worse, because it is about restricting the freedom and autonomy of only a certain segment of the population: women.
QUOTE: "... Why you are too much taking a woman as just a BODY, if a women is to uncover her body, she is a free woman enjoying all her human rights???? Wish that you consider a woman far beyond her body and physical attraction."
A person's right to bodily autonomy is their first and foremost human right.
In a civilized society, where human rights are respected, this is how things work: If a woman (or man) wants to "uncover" his/her body, they do it. And if a woman (or man) chooses to COVER their body, they do it.
And if a woman (or man) chooses to wear a clown suit, they do it.
This is known as "personal autonomy". We are each responsible for choosing how we want to dress. We do not presume to dictate a "dress code" to half the population.
Now. I assume that what you're getting at with your rather incoherent response is that you think that by advocating human rights for women, I am somehow sexualizing them; that by demanding bodily autonomy for women, I am saying that they are "just a body".
You claim to "consider a woman far beyond her body and physical attraction". You claim to do this by attempting to restrict her personal freedom, as far as what she will be permitted to wear. I claim that this is a non sequitur (oops, that wasn't English, it was Latin; but I'm sure you get the point, a smart guy like you).
You don't "respect" a person by restricting them.
If you respect women's minds so much, then you should have no problem with letting them USE their minds to decide which clothes they want to put on in the mornings. I'm sure they are capable of choosing what they wish to wear without the interference/intervention of the government, or you, or any other man.
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
December 27, 2004 - 10:22 AM
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Despite Ivy being anti-religious and me being a religious fanatic, she and I completely agree on this point.
If a man carrying AIDS becomes a sexual predator, and feels "invited" to unlawful behavior as a result of lack of respect for a woman's right to choose the attire that suits her best, then the woman is entirely innocent, and the sexual predator is entirely guilty of an inexcusable assault . . . not only because he is a sexual predator, and not only because he lacks basic respect for the woman as a human being, but most significantly because he's apparently decided that he's above standards of human decency and a simple, cost-free AIDS test.
I don't think that Western countries or Muslim countries have any kind of monopoly on personal morality, and I think all cultures suffer the same flaws, and all humans sufer the same frailties. Even Paul, as devout a disciple as Jesus has ever had, admitted that "I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. [ Or my flesh] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out." (Romans 7:18) I won't look for any Middle Eastern admissions of human frailty, but I'm sure that all people everywhere still have human failures.
I think that there is very sound reasoning behind the statement that "In cultures where women are subject to a "dress code", they inevitably lack equal human and civil rights as well; if their freedom of dress is not respected, then their independence and personal autonomy is not respected." If there is a "dress code" imposed by third persons, and the choice of dress is not left to the individual, then by definition, the person subject to the dress code restrictions no longer has their independence or personal autonomy respected.
I know that some countries have tried to un-separate church and state, and I have never been a fan of this effort. Despite founding fathers with a strong religious bent, the history of Philadelphia is the story of tolerance in the city of brotherly love. I think George Carlin put it very well when he said: "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." In the name of Jesus, Constantine tried to create a Chrisitan autocracy, and the result was anything but religious or personal freedom.
I think a person's relationship with God (or their choice to not have a personal relationship with God) only comes if the person is truly free to make that choice. I think the same of dress codes, personal habits, and anything that does not cause direct harm to others. So, while I will continue to be one of the more vocal advocates of people having a relationship with God, I hope that I am never blinded to the extent of anybody's personal point of view over the incredible God-given blessings of personal freedom.
I believe with all my heart that: "God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." But in that solemn conviction, I understand that He also loved the world enough to give us all free choice, and we should expect no less of any of those around us -- that we should expect that free choice from others and do our best to guarantee that free choice to others.
A wonderful quote attributed to Voltaire says: "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." That tolerance is the essence of freedom, and I hope why we're all here.
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
December 27, 2004 - 10:35 AM
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humblevessel -
very well said.
I'm sure we disagree on many issues, but it's nice that we've found some common ground on this one.
I agree 100% with everything you posted.
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Thanks Ivy.
December 27, 2004 - 11:00 AM
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I work for the most radical Jewish carpenter to ever hit the planet. I think you'd be surprised how many things we actually DO agree on. And, I'm sure there are Christians in our group who would make you look conservative  )
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Re: Is the dressing code a fueling factor to HIV/AIDS?
January 8, 2005 - 07:23 AM
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xxxivy: At first when i read your posts, i didnt really understand you, because my english isnt thaat good - but when i read it a second time i understood what you were talking about and i agree fully with you. it also has sumthing to do with living in a way the SOCIETY aorund you will accept it, even if you have the strength to do what you want, not always will it be excepted...
peace..
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AIDS on the rise!
January 12, 2005 - 02:02 AM
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xxxivy I am going to bold here! If you take away the statistics of HIV infection and re-infection through injectables and sharing blades etc.(the stats are not very high in Africa but maybe in Asia and the more developed countries) you will realise that the major cause of infection is through unprotected sexual intercourse.
If you observe the trends of infection in Africa you will again realise that females from 17-25 and males 19-30 are at the greatest risk, generally speaking the youth are at the greatest risk. Now I am not Muslim/Hindu so I do not know much about arranged marriages, and wearing cothes that cover the whole body, but to link the inability to say know to sex as a result of restictive dressing leading to increased cases of HIV/AIDS is inaccurate because the stats show it for themselves.
Young people (not young girls and older men) but the youth are indulging in sex because that is the modern lifestyle we live in today! Sex is everywhere, music, tv -prosperity is associated with being the PIMP (for guys)you can have any lady you want. In africa the only problem is that older generations still want to cling to the ideologies that protect the dignity of society and this is in contradiction to the youth who feel its their time so instead of collaborating there is secracy and in secracy there is ignorance. Ignorance of the youth drives us to have unprotected sex e.g because the pharmarcist who sells the condom is "older" or is a mother and would naturally discourage the youth. the youth feels misunderstood and would rather not buy the condom but will stil have sex either way.
I think this is not the case in the West, where that social fabric we call culture has seized to have any form of hormogenity and thus has eclipsed both the good and the bad-but how can you drink tea with sugar and salt?
P*S culture is not totally hormogenous however there are thresholds that a society continously underline as the basis of their culture, dressing is not the issue but dressing appropriately is! for gals and guys
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