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Using economy for preventing poverty.
February 3, 2004 - 05:46 AM
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Poverty can be easiyl prevented by government using economy to that goal.
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The following is extracted from futurist guidances for economy. Enjoy reading!
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three ways of economy r to be in country in order to satisfy all it needs:
-Owned
-Guided
-Free
Owned economy are all factories etc public services (military) (preordered production)... which r fully owned by country and this is they main cource for social care, providing ppl with jobs that they can provide for their families and preserve dignity.
Guided are all private owned buisnesses but they r guided, limited etc by government in country. This is a mid way to free. Here can ppl employ thmeselves, but are not willing to handle high competiton in free economy. Also here still are jobs safe.
Free economy is completely free and not effected by governmental intervention. This is for al which like to muster up high profits and challenge their abilities to the utmost. This is means: Not too safe jobs, but high profits and higher wages.
Thank you for reading this short script.
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
February 3, 2004 - 08:35 AM
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my class is doing tig topics and film them to show what they really mean..and i chose poverty...(well my teacher chose it for me)..i have two other girls helping me film poverty......well we are a little behind what we were suppose to do..so we really need to work on it...i starting to like studying poverty because its one of the topics i never really get bored of...i kind of get really interest in it...makes me realize how grateful i am....to live in a house then living a hay house...a lot of other homeless people are needed help...but i dont think i can do much...all i can do is send some food to poor people but that wont be enough because there are a lot more people are poor..not just one...
i hope they can find an easier way to live then just starve..
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February 4, 2004 - 01:33 AM
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You can do two things:
Send lots of aid (big mistake)
OR
Teach them how to help themselves
Note Japanese saying:
If you give fish to a man you do feed him for a day, if u can tech him to catch fish, u save his life.
Understandable now?
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truly, that is positive but!
May 4, 2004 - 05:27 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaiser
[B]Poverty can be easiyl prevented by government using economy to that goal.
sure and i mean terifly sure but i wonder if it is aplicable everywhere 0n the globe?
some countries have poor economies,surely dead economies
thus no matter the brain behind the move towards poverty eradication, i believe strongly that poverty will still be staring in the face
teach, yes, but in some cases the teaching is more of a song than anything that is practical. not every theory that can be applied in japan, is applicable in palestine.
some are deserts, some depend solely on flooded agriculture, no minerals and if they are there,they are already controlled by other states and corporotations.
it seems that teaching wont help alot in cases like the above described. a country like somalia if you know it, just teaching, well it is an important component but i feel that the people are working hard already so may be we should think of our imf policies and rich countries mingling around the globe to promote interests but also maybe just pray because though it is the opium of the soul but it is the martydom of the underpriviledged
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 4, 2004 - 08:45 AM
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Environment plays just a side role in poverty. The main cast goes to MIND, MENTALITY & SOCIETY!
Swiss has an awful environment for any sort of farming/production/industry! And yet they are one of best economies in most aspects. People are crucial. They are the foundation in aynthing.
Thats why i DO mention Futurism with its distinctive economical policynext to the poverty solving, as this is confirmed it works well against poverty. How i described in the introduction post at the top of the thread.
Division among "OWNED", "GUIDED" & "FREE" ! Economy. With this approach we try to solve poverty issues among ourselves. We dont have "OWNED" category yet, as we do not have a own country. "OWNED" would be the main carrier to rpevent poverty. Under OWNED we can put railway network, electric plants etc... similar.. Whats fully owned by state, country.
I have a printing press - where i print publications, books but mostly leaftlets & magazines.
My company is listed under "GUIDED" as i joined Futurian commerce chamber and took on certain obligations as result (not free, guided it is). On that way i dont really have to seek for buisness. Most of it is arranged by chamber and they ask for all which seem fit to fulfill the duty. I never run out of buisness in last 6 months. By that profit i can easily pay not only taxes demanded by country, but i also gladly pay taxes for the community needs.
Note: When i decided to go and buy that printing press, before i had to ask for permission if chamber allows it, if there will be enough orders coming and give my reasons.
Reasons were obvious: To employ some newly joined members, which joined our community and of course just to feel creative. I dont want to be lasy and do nothing in life.
With respect, Katulus
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 4, 2004 - 09:33 AM
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>You can do two things: Send lots of aid (big mistake) OR >Teach them how to help >themselves Note Japanese saying: If >you give fish to a man you do feed him for a day, >If u can >tech him to catch fish, u save his life. Understandable >now?
Kaiser, I agree with you in this ! But I have seen times aid can be useful to the countries.. But it should be administrated and used in an effective way (So it does not make that nation to depend on aid all the time )
In that case, Sri Lanka is not using the aid it gets effectively; right now the efficiency level is pretty low making Sri Lanka an international joke.
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 6, 2004 - 06:22 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaiser
[B]Environment plays just a side role in poverty. The main cast goes to MIND, MENTALITY & SOCIETY!
Swiss has an awful environment for any sort of farming/production/industry! And yet they are one of best economies in most aspects. People are crucial. They are the foundation in aynthing.
eh! why do i keep forgeting about the mind? sure the mind, the mentality of the society. it is true
but what determines the kind of mentality a society will have? what factors affect mind development, oh! back to our environment and cultural issues.
where is swiss located? it might have the worst environment but in what ways does it have the worst environment?
accessibility to certain neighbours, weather, historic sites, culture of the place, i think these are great factors in favour of swiss, are they not?
any way, other countries should strive but others are always very suspicious of the struggles by the little ones to develop and reach their stage. the elite by way of beareaucratic sanctions and road maps!
minds can work but minds can be undermined for some peculiar reasons. if a nigerian were to come up with a great invention, i am sure someone would try to disaprove it and put it in other words then it would be accepted.
world tyrannies are there, the levithiams that see themselves as necesary and at the end of the day laugh in scorn at the poor minds that they have squashed. no wonder we terrorise others by way of ideologies and still blame it on the poor minds
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 7, 2004 - 02:01 AM
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Well i agree with both of you guys. You stated good reasons for certain problems and also some new ways to get things done better.
How would I handle things if i were Financial minister in Kenya (For my community is considered Financial minister to be minister No.1!). Kenya has coastline. And a major one. Which is excellent. It enables transport by ship and also fishing with fishing boats. Not to mention tourism. But we will limit ourselves only with Farming/Industry. WE can consider Tourism as pleasant addition, but not as emergency help to the economy.
So where to start? Farming or Industry? For tackling any of those two you WILL need good financing. And very good and HONEST, ABLE minister for finances (!). Kenya surely needs lots of water for farming needs. Does it has many rivers? Especially in areas which are by nature dry.
....... to be continued.
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 7, 2004 - 04:51 AM
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the US was very involved in all of the countries of continental central america, not just nicaragua!
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 7, 2004 - 05:25 AM
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that is interesting dear friend. i would love to learn more about what our good 'finance minister of kenya' has on his mind.
have you read anything about nicaragua and its involvement with the U.S?
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 7, 2004 - 08:47 AM
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I dunn know nothing who is Kenyan finance minister but i conclude he is not doing what he is supposed to do.
Nicaragua & USA ? I know they were troubled for many years. But my knowledge is almost equal to zero. If you have in depth information there is no problem sharing them here.
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 8, 2004 - 05:30 AM
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As i said before. People are basic unit of any community and as such, a crucial part in anything. Have people weak, all is weak. Kenya has borders made by colonial powers, which do not represent ethnnic divisions. So that means there are different and also conflicting segments living in one, same country. Already thats a good base for problems. Unless there is a firm commitment to move forward no matter what, there wont be done nothing.
Of course, basic infrastructure has to be put in place first. RAILWAYS ! WATERWAYS ! HIGHWAYS ! AIRPORTS! . Thats basic. Advanced is ELECTRICITY, TELEPHONE/INTERNET..etc.
At least first can be done 2BY FORCE" on command. By public works or by engagement of the military/working brigades!
After you got that, you need to make people ready to work, work and WORK! Work must be a prime order for all, and without any reservation. No fun before work is finished. After finished work, its time to celebrate.
Of course you need to know as much as you can about the people (Kenya). So its recommended to keep yearly statistic on every Kenyan. How many citizens there are, how old are they, what is their income.. etc.. EVERYTHING. You just need ot know who you are dealing with.
Free press, as guarantee and as PREVENTION of corruption and which helps in preventing politicians to mess things up.
Thats it for today.
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theory and praxis, which is what?
May 8, 2004 - 10:09 AM
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in theory, the kenyan finance minister seems to be a sleep.
but in praxis, i pity him.
but again what would one do where democracy is a killer drug other than a promoter of national interests? constitutional democracy, people claim it is the best sort of government but where there are egually strong protagonists and antagonists as law makers, the best one can expect are good chaos and hussles.
apart from that, the world prices of commondities like coffee are depressing. terror alerts day in day out lead to no tourists except the brave and courageous ones. sanctions from IMF, what of pressures from other good donor countries.
because of all these factors, i feel the kenyan finance minister is doing fine, except that the conditions do not just favour any outright plans.
i was asking about nicaragua because i read something very startling about the involvement of the US in that country. a great contributor to its economic growth!
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 9, 2004 - 03:53 AM
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poverty strengthens ethnic lines. people have instincts for survival in scarcity. the politicians or the elite find this as a good front just as the people find it as a good front in asking for their share in the national cake. how can one manage to break this ethnic links?
i like and appreciate the strategies specified by kaiser. i think people ought be incensed (coercion is not necesary) to work and have fun after work. i think we need develop a working culture especially in the 'jua kali' sector i.e non-office orriented sectors.
the idea of involving the military in development projects is a sound prospect. it is true that they are not very much involved in anything.
the idea of improving infrastructure is important but i think the funding would be abit of a problem. a country with the highest fertility rate of about 52 per 1000, has more than enough needs. one would choke this rate by antenatal tactics but again depending on the society and the resources available, it may become a problem in a problem other than a solution. but all the same, sacrifices work if people are ready to undertake them. if one is forced to sacrifice, a rebellion of any form is likely.
free press, sure that is worthwhile and people ought express their views but just like absolute power, absolute freedom corrupts absolutely.
have people weak and all is weak, that is true but we should be careful when we talk about weakness. weak in what ways! weakness to some extend evolves and no dynamics can bring the strength we would think of. what is important, i think, is to have people doing the best and the best in the south is not the best in the north.
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Re: Using economy for preventing poverty.
May 17, 2004 - 04:03 AM
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In order to go somewhere we do need to know where are we starting from. So if we know how,why,when and where we are thats 50 % problem solved.
In this case we are trying to go from poverty (which has different faces in different communities) to reach "good living". This is much more difficult than it seems when reading this, as NOBODy was able to do it by now in entire worlds history. Some tried and been just partially sucessfull. Humanity as whole is the widest community of human beings and as such its 1 - and basic unit. Viewed as such we now know we havent done nothing much. Some segments did reach good living (geographical West), but thats meaningless, as most important are WEAK POINTS. WEak points are poor people worldwide. Of course even among communities where they have "good living" there are milions of poor that have nothing to own.
It is our obligation, job and duty to aliminate weaknesses from the given unit, in order that whole unit gets stronger. We dont achieve nothing if we try to solve one mans problems by decreasing joy of another man. SO! if you want to solve world poverty do not take money from rich to give to the poor. Make poor rich as it is ment to be, empower them, give knowledge, and most of all ALLOW them to prosper in life! And all will be well (till next time)
Ave Futuria: Freedom ! Equality ! Progress !
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