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Tad Hargrave
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The Celtic Indigenous Voice
February 1, 2004 - 07:30 AM
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I'm curious what people think about the celtic indigenous culture?
I am of mixed Celtic descent - mostly Scottish and have been looking at my own indigenous roots.
why?
I've put my reasons in the attached file, but i'm curious to get the dialogue going.
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Re: The Celtic Indigenous Voice
February 1, 2004 - 07:31 AM
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ooh can you speak gaelic? i can sorta.
slainte mhath!
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Tad Hargrave
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the attachment
February 1, 2004 - 07:31 AM
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it was too big. but please email me at tadman@telusplanet.net and I'd be happy to email you my more complete thoughts.
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hey messy!
February 1, 2004 - 07:34 AM
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ceud mile failte!
ciammar a tha sibh? co as a tha sibh? tha mi a Edmonton, Alberta.
(TRANS FROM SCOTTISH GAELIC - one hundred thousand welcomes. how are you? where are you from? I'm from Edmonton, Alberta)
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Re: The Celtic Indigenous Voice
February 3, 2004 - 12:36 PM
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Tad,
Your search for the history in your roots is commendable. I was wondering what your opinions are, or what you can learn from your history, to help those indigenous people who do not have the same advantages you do.
Most indigenous groups do not have a state, and are still being actively oppressed. How can your experience help in these areas?
Thanks for your posts!
Your friendly Neighbourhood Moderator,
Brian
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european culture, the big picture
February 5, 2004 - 09:26 AM
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aha, interesting and important topic. I have not been able to check your attached file, but here I go. The indigenous root is important to have a wider perspective and understanding of how each of us is personally related to the living universe that we are intrictae part of (not detached as dualist christian church has taught us, and the worldviews of science and economics keep transmitting in their own way). Also, the traditions of festivities help us with our own archetypal connection to ritual and connecting to the rhythm of nature. However, I have found that some people in berlin, although born in germany, have come to discover a very cose connection to african or native american or indian spirituality. I am referring not to new age seekers, but to people that ARE truly connected to the "root" of those traditions, surprisingly.
Reanimating European traditions is important for reconnecting to the spirit of the land, the plants, healing traditions and caring for nature. However, some people I know who are not connected to the ideas of european traditions are more connected to living as a natural person than others always "talking" about it :-) E.g., THE lady of the herbs in Germany is still Hildegard von Bingen, a Christian nun from medeieval times. I believe this is something we really have to be conscious of. Bein a child of nature, connected to the wisdom of the living world around us is more than fits in a one-dimensional box.
Finally, I have experienced the saying that "indigenous people tell us to rediscover our own culture" ... "and to sit with OUR elders" first, BUT - of course - the European descent kids do not follow the counsel to sit with their own (disrespected) elderly citizens, and 2nd: then e.g. many german kids (alternative or leftist) run back to unearthing germanic culture... with no connection to the 21st century, and rejecting the mainstream society.
The funny thing is, that the same indigenous elders/wisdom keepers meant something very different ! They have excellent dialogues with the universal scholars of today (=the european ELDERS of today), about the achievements of Hegel, Kant, Hesse, Einstein, Schweitzer, and the ecosophy of Arne Naess - an aproach to an holistic worldview fit for the 21st century eropean mind.
so - just to share an idea of how to MERGE / compose the indigenous feel and perspective with 21st century thinking and terminology. so we dont get stuck digging in our important roots :-) ...
To conclude, the central idea is INTEGRITY; INTEGRAL worldview, combining the traditional with the very tidal wave of societaland scientific findings (which today reveal that the ancient worldsare all true) : earth is a living organism etc.
and its application lies in system sciences and the likes, which - unfortunately - are little represented in the still conventional (reating everything as isolated, barricaded in their own terminology etc.) scientific environments.
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Re: The Celtic Indigenous Voice
February 7, 2004 - 03:49 AM
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Is there still a CENTRE to celtic traditions? - a "tribal council" of some sort?
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