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movie, "good morning vietnam"
March 6, 2002 - 01:29 AM
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just saw a movie today.
"good morning vietnam" robbie williams.
great movie.
but somehow, it raised a few questions in my mind.
how could america be so cruel to crush a nation and its economy so badly just coz its communist and america believes in capitalism.
i mean, does a nation have its right to soverinity or not.
donno much abt the vietnam war.
but the impression ive got.
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America was asked
March 6, 2002 - 02:01 AM
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by the government in power at the time to come help. I say the gov. and not necesarily the majority of people themselves. Or maybe just the richer people, the ones that sucseded to become attached to the "capatalist or american lifestyle".
America answered an international SOS for freedom, a capatalist S.O.S. Since they are and were the worlds "protector" for that particular style of government "democracy", they had to act.
The further back problem was the colonisation of that country decades ago by the europeans.
America stood for freedom. How they defined themselves to the world left them no choice. I am glad that they did not use the nuke though! It was bad enough they used the agent orange and green and stuff like that.
Still to this day America glorifies its war heroes and actions as right, for them and for the rest of the world. IT is called survival. But then the communist and religious and every other type of nation do the same.
When one has five countries that cry out for help at the same time, which one do you go to first or help the most? Probably the one that can have or give a better long term return.
Vietnam was about global positioning. Stepping stone.
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Re: movie, "good morning vietnam"
March 6, 2002 - 02:05 AM
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It is a good movie. My brother served in the Air Force based in Thailand (aircraft system repair)during the latter part.
A lot of factors went into the US getting involved in the war. McNamara's memoirs are quite educational on how the US got into that quagmire.
Of course, the US is not the only country that has invaded others. I do not believe in military action unless other alternatives are exhausted or immediate danger looms.
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Re: movie, "good morning vietnam"
March 7, 2002 - 06:59 AM
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rsmarg.
what do you mean us is not the only country which has invaded others. are u justifying it.
and what alternatives? i thin vietnam is a soverign nation. who is america to say if communalism is good or bad. and even if they do say it, waht right do they have to go into another country, invade it, kill the people there and cause mass destruction to this magnitude?
i think americans to vietnamese should be worse than britishers to indians. atleast the britishers knew in their hearts what they were doing was bad.
not_neo, i think, govts are representatives of the people. so, when a govt invades another country, they are in a way, reflecting the general opinion there.
personally, they way i look at it, americans tried to be a bit too mean here. (that includes the people also). actually, they have always been, the way they killed the native red indians, took away their lands, enslaved them, got more slaves from africa, i think thats the basis for their progress. supression.
they dont bother about what they are doing to others, as long as its good for them.
mean and selfish people.
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Re: movie, "good morning vietnam"
March 7, 2002 - 08:20 AM
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I was only trying to make the point that the US is not some singularly evil nation. Nations build empires whenever they can. Certainly people need to do their utmost to prevent their nation from getting into these messes.
You are completely correct in that people are so often looking at their narrow short-term self interest that they don't see the consequences or who gets hurt. I believe you see this everywhere, not just the US.
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Japan has ever ...
March 7, 2002 - 09:13 AM
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I just want to tell that Japan has ever invaded China,and did very very cruel thing to us,they killed a lot of inocent people!!300,000!!and some guy even hold a competition to see who killed more people!!!(shit!!)
And now the govement even don't want to addmit what they have ever done!!!(angry..angry..angry**) too bloody!!
Japanese should come to Nan Jing--it's a city of blood!!(by japanese)
I think hide the history is bad!!!Noone could hide the history!!
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Vivek
March 7, 2002 - 10:20 AM
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Because of the way democracies and other institutions are built over time the people themselves many a times are not asked wether they should participate in events.
There were a lot of protests in America against its involvement in Nam.
Because IT was deemed as a long term beneficial economic path by those business and lawyers in charge of the country at the time, the US of A did get involved.
i do not agree with what happened or what they did but just like today war is an economic stimulus.
Agriculture, industry, high tech., security, war...IT is a cycle of how energy and people that are available is utilized.
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not_neo
March 13, 2002 - 07:40 AM
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Nice to know i can finally understand what your saying, Neo.
War is the greatest of economic stimulae.
Problem is, its one heck of a thump when it ends. In more ways than one.
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