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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 4, 2004 - 11:19 AM
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Well thats not new..
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I think nowadays, women in most countries are expected to get married when they r 17 through 22, and my country too. If Porky want to talk about Muhammad then lets talk about not only Muhammad, all the prophets, their companions and others during that time.
So what else about Futurists.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
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There is a open topic on the theme of rights etc. already in place, so lets read it.
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Originally posted by TheCodoba
well, boys and girls reach their puberty defferent time depending on culture, location, time frome age 9 to 15.
It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage
According to Christian resources, Mary(peach be upon her) was 12-14 when she got pregnant. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives.
Therefore, Porky stop giving all these sites what says Mohammad is pedophile.
It doesn't matter how many people or books of so-called "prophets" allowed sex with young puberting children.
If others do this it does not make it right.
Mohammed claimed to be chosen by god as a "holy prophet".
Is this the behaviour of a prophet of god?
Mohammed was in his fifties when he took this little girl and had sex with her at 9 years old, whilst she still was playing with toys.
Muslims are taught and believe that Mohammed is a perfect example to follow.
He is claimed to be the final "prophet" for all time, chosen by god.
Would you follow Mohammed in this aspect of having sex with little children?
Would you allow your little 9 year old daughter to have sex with a fifty year old man, who is only following Mohammed's example?
Do you think his behaviour was that of a "prophet", chosen by god?
Here is an example of what Mohammed's paedophilic example has led to:
Source: http://www.hraic.org/prophet_muhammad_and_pedophilia.html
Prophet Muhammad and Paedophilia
+Some sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini
From "The Life of Muhammad"
After Khadijah died, Muhammad dreamed that he was to marry A'isha, the daughter of Abu Bakr. She was six and he was fifty. But firstly he married the widow Sawdah who was very motherly towards his children and, a few months later, to his child bride A'isha. She continued to play with her dolls for several years until, at the age of nine, her marriage was consummated.
Rights of the Child (contd)
10 Aug. '00 Reformers in the Iranian parliament are seeking to raise the age of marriage for girls from 9 to 14 and boys from 15 to16. Currently the girl's age is determined by the A'isha/Muhammad marriage. She was six and he was fifty - he did "wait" until she was nine to consummate the marriage.
Penetration of young girls can seriously damage their reproductive organs, let alone any psychological harm it can do. The high maternal mortality rate can be directly attributed to this practice. Also children need time to have a childhood and also study.
For more on pedophilia "Sayings of Khomeini" . Warning the words of this "holy" man may cause you to vomit. Their authenticity has been verified. (See links on article.)
Some Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini
Ayatollah Khomeini:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives.
The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister.
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran, 1990
It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran, 1990 [Mohammad (founder of Islam) The Pedophile]
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on.
However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran, 1990
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
The little green book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47
Comments: I am ashamed of being born and raised in Iran, a country where they built a Mausoleum over his grave and had the greatest party for his 100th birthday.
Shame on such people.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 7, 2004 - 01:26 AM
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March 8, 2004 - 04:31 AM
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This is a link to invite all to a forum.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 9, 2004 - 07:10 AM
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This was article was found when I was doing my research on RELIGION, and I saved it on my pc, but from different sites. To save my own time, I had to answer this way. I don't think anything wrong with that.
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I am not sure how honest he/you are. can't justify now.
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I have to see if i really want chat with someone like you; besides it is wasting time for me..
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 9, 2004 - 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by DoctorNO
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheCodoba
3. He lived in an extremely hot climate where the physical desires press hard on men,
Any scientific findings to back that up?
Originally posted by TheCodoba
where people develop physical maturity at an early age,
Scientific studies prove that the EARLIEST possible maturity for females is age 12, NOT NINE.
http://www.puberty101.com/p_pubgirls.shtml
Originally posted by TheCodoba
In the whole of Arabia he was known by his upright character and was called Al-Amin (the trustworthy), a title which signified the highest standard of moral life.
Only AFTER he brainwashed the country. Early in his career he spent 13 years labeled as a mad man (hadiths) and was only able to convert some 40 people. He fled to medina where he ASSASSINATED leaders of opposition including a mother of several young children. After building his power base he became a BANDIT and ambushed peaceful merchant caravans. And of course his sexual relations with a 9 year old girl.
So, my friend, that is hardly the character of an upright man.[/QUOTE]
you can find out any one's negative side(mostly fill with lies) and talk about anyone in the whole world
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 9, 2004 - 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by TheCodoba
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DoctorNO
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheCodoba
3. He lived in an extremely hot climate where the physical desires press hard on men,
Any scientific findings to back that up?
Originally posted by TheCodoba
where people develop physical maturity at an early age,
Scientific studies prove that the EARLIEST possible maturity for females is age 12, NOT NINE.
http://www.puberty101.com/p_pubgirls.shtml
Originally posted by TheCodoba
In the whole of Arabia he was known by his upright character and was called Al-Amin (the trustworthy), a title which signified the highest standard of moral life.
Only AFTER he brainwashed the country. Early in his career he spent 13 years labeled as a mad man (hadiths) and was only able to convert some 40 people. He fled to medina where he ASSASSINATED leaders of opposition including a mother of several young children. After building his power base he became a BANDIT and ambushed peaceful merchant caravans. And of course his sexual relations with a 9 year old girl.
So, my friend, that is hardly the character of an upright man.[/QUOTE]
you can find out any one's negative side(mostly fill with lies) and talk about anyone in the whole world[/QUOTE]
Dear TheCodoba,
I agree with what you say here, "you can find out any one's negative side(mostly fill with lies) and talk about anyone in the whole world"
This would also apply to Mohammed........right?
Using your above statement as a basis, let us apply it also to Mohammed.
This is a sample of the "negatives" that Mohammed claimed existed with people other than his followers:
Are these too also "mostly filled with lies"?
Maybe Mohamed was making it all up, "mostly filled with lies" for the purpose of creating enemies for his followers to fight and war against as there was much to profit in terms of loot, booty and slaves.
Afterall "Allah" ordered that Mohammed was to get 20% (1/5th) of the booty and first pick of the newly captured slaves.
Quran:
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YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
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YUSUFALI: O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.
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YUSUFALI: For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah's Way;-
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YUSUFALI: Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
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YUSUFALI: Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
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YUSUFALI: The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
Sahih al-Bukari
كتاب الجهاد والسير (The Book of Jihaad)
No. 2734 - Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
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كتاب البيوع (The Book of Sales and Trade)
No. 2100 - Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
I heard Allah's Apostle, in the year of the Conquest of Mecca, saying, "Allah and His Apostle made illegal the trade of alcohol, dead animals, pigs and idols." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What about the fat of dead animals, for it was used for greasing the boats and the hides; and people use it for lights?" He said, "No, it is illegal." Allah's Apostle further said, "May Allah curse the jews, for Allah made the fat (of animals) illegal for them, yet they melted the fat and sold it and ate its price."
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كتاب الجنائز (The Book of Funerals)
No. 1295 - Narrated Abi Aiyub:
Once the Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice, and said, "The jews are being punished in their graves."
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كتاب الجنائز (The Book of Funerals)
No. 1214 - Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet)
Once Allah's Apostle passed by (the grave of) a jewess whose relatives were weeping over her. He said, "They are weeping over her and she is being tortured in her grave."
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كتاب الصلاة (The Book of Prayer)
No. 428 - Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:
When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 9, 2004 - 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by TheCodoba
First of all, you dont have to provide any more ati-islamic site. I know more than 200 and have read almost all of them. I myself like democracy; if you were born in a certain country that runs by strict rules that is also not some one else's problem. If you r still confussed about Mohammad's marriges, then read below:
1. The institution of marriage enjoys a very high status in Islam. It is highly commendable and essential for the sound survival of society.
2. Prophet Muhammad never said that he was immortal or divine. Time and time again, he emphasized that he was a mortal being chosen by Allah to deliver His message to mankind. Although unique and distinguished in his life, he lived like a man and died as a man. Marriage, therefore, was natural for him, and not a heresy or anathema.
3. He lived in an extremely hot climate where the physical desires press hard on men, where people develop physical maturity at an early age, and where easy satisfaction was a common thing among people of all classes. Nevertheless, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) had never touched a woman until he was 25 years of age when he married for the first time. In the whole of Arabia he was known by his upright character and was called Al-Amin (the trustworthy), a title which signified the highest standard of moral life.
4. His first marriage at this unusually late age was to Khadeejah, who was twice widowed and 15 years his senior. It was her who initiated the contract, and he accepted the proposal in spite of her age and marital status. At the time he could have quite easily found more beautiful women to be much younger wives, if he was inclined towards his physical desires.
5. He lived with Khadijah as her husband until he was over 50 years of age, and by her he had all his children with the exception of Ibrahim. She remained his wife until her death when she was over 65 years, and throughout her marriage the Prophet never took another wife or had any other intimacy.
6. Persecutions and perils were continually inflicted on him and the believers, particularly at the end of Khadijah’s life. It was during this time that his wife died and after her death, he stayed without re-marrying for some time. Sawdah, who had emigrated with her husband to Abyssinia in the early years of persecutions, sought shelter on her way back after her husband died. The natural course for her was to turn to the Prophet himself for whose mission her husband had died. The Prophet extended his shelter and married her. She was not particularly young or beautiful. She was an ordinary widow with a quick temper. Later in the same year, the Prophet proposed to `A'ishah who was seven years old and the daughter of his beloved Companion, Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him). The marriage was not consummated until sometime after the emigration to Madinah and when she had reached maturity. The motives of these two marriages can be understood to be anything except passion and physical attraction. However, he lived with the two wives for five to six years, when he was 56 years of age, without taking any other wife.
7. From the age of 56 to 60, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) contracted nine marriages in quick succession. In the last three years of his life he contracted no marriages at all. Most of his marriages were contracted in a period of about five years when he was passing the most difficult and trying stage in his mission. At that time the Muslims were engaged in decisive battles and entangled in an endless circle of external and internal problems. It was at that time that the Islamic legislation was in the making, and the foundations of an Islamic society were being laid down. The fact that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the most dominant figure in these events and the center around which they revolved, and that most of his marriages took place during this particular period is an extremely interesting phenomenon. It invites the serious attention of historians, sociologists, legislators, psychologists, etc. It cannot be interpreted simply in terms of physical attraction and lust.
8. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) lived a simple and modest life. During the day he was the busiest man of his era as he was Head of State, Chief Justice, Commander-in-Chief, instructor, etc. At night he was spiritually devoted to Allah as he used to stay one to two-thirds of every night vigilant in prayer and meditation (Qur'an, 73: 20). His furniture consisted of mats, jugs, blankets and other simple things, although he was the king and sovereign of Arabia. His life was so severe and austere that his wives once pressed him for worldly comforts, but they never had any (cf. Qur'an, 33: 48). Obviously, that was not the life of a lustful and passionate man.
9. The wives he took were all widows or divorced with the exception of `A'ishah. None of these widowed and divorced wives was particularly known for physical charms or beauties. Some of them were senior to him in age, and practically all of them sought his hand and shelter, or were presented to him as gifts, but he accepted them as legal wives.
10. Actually, there was a need for the Prophet to marry a girl at this age, in order to live long after his death to teach people lessons from his private life that only a wife would have witnessed. Thus, his many marriages and his marriage to a young girl were not something weird or to be ashamed of or even apologized for, from the criterion of his time as it may be now.
You said "First of all, you dont have to provide any more ati-islamic site.I know more than 200 and have read almost all of them."
I believe Porky was more honest to refer us to the website, by not just copying and pasting from websites here and there and posting them in her/his name.
I would be glad to answer "YOUR" post and whay YOU think, and have a nice chat with YOU but not wasting my time answering an article that you only copied and pasted from here and the author is not present to defend :
http://www.wamy.org/IslamInFocus1/ChapterV/Polygamy(PluralityofWives).html
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
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Originally posted by DoctorNO
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by TheCodoba
3. He lived in an extremely hot climate where the physical desires press hard on men,
Any scientific findings to back that up?
-everything does not have scientific backup. if is there I dont know.
Originally posted by TheCodoba
where people develop physical maturity at an early age,
Scientific studies prove that the EARLIEST possible maturity for females is age 12, NOT NINE.
-could be. already read that link
http://www.puberty101.com/p_pubgirls.shtml
Originally posted by TheCodoba
In the whole of Arabia he was known by his upright character and was called Al-Amin (the trustworthy), a title which signified the highest standard of moral life.
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I really don't get it. How did you convince yourself saying Arabia was brainwashed..
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not true; He was an illiterate person.
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not true
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true; but she reached her puberty. average age is 12, but could be 9-12.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 9, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by TheCodoba
3. He lived in an extremely hot climate where the physical desires press hard on men,
Any scientific findings to back that up?
Originally posted by TheCodoba
where people develop physical maturity at an early age,
Scientific studies prove that the EARLIEST possible maturity for females is age 12, NOT NINE.
http://www.puberty101.com/p_pubgirls.shtml
Originally posted by TheCodoba
In the whole of Arabia he was known by his upright character and was called Al-Amin (the trustworthy), a title which signified the highest standard of moral life.
Only AFTER he brainwashed the country. Early in his career he spent 13 years labeled as a mad man (hadiths) and was only able to convert some 40 people. He fled to medina where he ASSASSINATED leaders of opposition including a mother of several young children. After building his power base he became a BANDIT and ambushed peaceful merchant caravans. And of course his sexual relations with a 9 year old girl.
So, my friend, that is hardly the character of an upright man.
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First of all, you dont have to provide any more ati-islamic site. I know more than 200 and have read almost all of them. I myself like democracy; if you were born in a certain country that runs by strict rules that is also not some one else's problem. If you r still confussed about Mohammad's marriges, then read below:
1. The institution of marriage enjoys a very high status in Islam. It is highly commendable and essential for the sound survival of society.
2. Prophet Muhammad never said that he was immortal or divine. Time and time again, he emphasized that he was a mortal being chosen by Allah to deliver His message to mankind. Although unique and distinguished in his life, he lived like a man and died as a man. Marriage, therefore, was natural for him, and not a heresy or anathema.
3. He lived in an extremely hot climate where the physical desires press hard on men, where people develop physical maturity at an early age, and where easy satisfaction was a common thing among people of all classes. Nevertheless, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) had never touched a woman until he was 25 years of age when he married for the first time. In the whole of Arabia he was known by his upright character and was called Al-Amin (the trustworthy), a title which signified the highest standard of moral life.
4. His first marriage at this unusually late age was to Khadeejah, who was twice widowed and 15 years his senior. It was her who initiated the contract, and he accepted the proposal in spite of her age and marital status. At the time he could have quite easily found more beautiful women to be much younger wives, if he was inclined towards his physical desires.
5. He lived with Khadijah as her husband until he was over 50 years of age, and by her he had all his children with the exception of Ibrahim. She remained his wife until her death when she was over 65 years, and throughout her marriage the Prophet never took another wife or had any other intimacy.
6. Persecutions and perils were continually inflicted on him and the believers, particularly at the end of Khadijah’s life. It was during this time that his wife died and after her death, he stayed without re-marrying for some time. Sawdah, who had emigrated with her husband to Abyssinia in the early years of persecutions, sought shelter on her way back after her husband died. The natural course for her was to turn to the Prophet himself for whose mission her husband had died. The Prophet extended his shelter and married her. She was not particularly young or beautiful. She was an ordinary widow with a quick temper. Later in the same year, the Prophet proposed to `A'ishah who was seven years old and the daughter of his beloved Companion, Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him). The marriage was not consummated until sometime after the emigration to Madinah and when she had reached maturity. The motives of these two marriages can be understood to be anything except passion and physical attraction. However, he lived with the two wives for five to six years, when he was 56 years of age, without taking any other wife.
7. From the age of 56 to 60, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) contracted nine marriages in quick succession. In the last three years of his life he contracted no marriages at all. Most of his marriages were contracted in a period of about five years when he was passing the most difficult and trying stage in his mission. At that time the Muslims were engaged in decisive battles and entangled in an endless circle of external and internal problems. It was at that time that the Islamic legislation was in the making, and the foundations of an Islamic society were being laid down. The fact that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the most dominant figure in these events and the center around which they revolved, and that most of his marriages took place during this particular period is an extremely interesting phenomenon. It invites the serious attention of historians, sociologists, legislators, psychologists, etc. It cannot be interpreted simply in terms of physical attraction and lust.
8. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) lived a simple and modest life. During the day he was the busiest man of his era as he was Head of State, Chief Justice, Commander-in-Chief, instructor, etc. At night he was spiritually devoted to Allah as he used to stay one to two-thirds of every night vigilant in prayer and meditation (Qur'an, 73: 20). His furniture consisted of mats, jugs, blankets and other simple things, although he was the king and sovereign of Arabia. His life was so severe and austere that his wives once pressed him for worldly comforts, but they never had any (cf. Qur'an, 33: 48). Obviously, that was not the life of a lustful and passionate man.
9. The wives he took were all widows or divorced with the exception of `A'ishah. None of these widowed and divorced wives was particularly known for physical charms or beauties. Some of them were senior to him in age, and practically all of them sought his hand and shelter, or were presented to him as gifts, but he accepted them as legal wives.
10. Actually, there was a need for the Prophet to marry a girl at this age, in order to live long after his death to teach people lessons from his private life that only a wife would have witnessed. Thus, his many marriages and his marriage to a young girl were not something weird or to be ashamed of or even apologized for, from the criterion of his time as it may be now.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 10, 2004 - 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by porky
Dear TheCodoba,
I agree with what you say here, "you can find out any one's negative side(mostly fill with lies) and talk about anyone in the whole world"
This would also apply to Mohammed........right?
Using your above statement as a basis, let us apply it also to Mohammed.
This is a sample of the "negatives" that Mohammed claimed existed with people other than his followers:
Are these too also "mostly filled with lies"?
Maybe Mohamed was making it all up, "mostly filled with lies" for the purpose of creating enemies for his followers to fight and war against as there was much to profit in terms of loot, booty and slaves.
Afterall "Allah" ordered that Mohammed was to get 20% (1/5th) of the booty and first pick of the newly captured slaves.
Quran:
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YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
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YUSUFALI: O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.
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YUSUFALI: For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah's Way;-
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YUSUFALI: Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
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YUSUFALI: Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
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YUSUFALI: The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
Sahih al-Bukari
ßÊÇÈ ÇáÌåÇÏ æÇáÓíÑ (The Book of Jihaad)
No. 2734 - Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
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ßÊÇÈ ÇáÈíæÚ (The Book of Sales and Trade)
No. 2100 - Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
I heard Allah's Apostle, in the year of the Conquest of Mecca, saying, "Allah and His Apostle made illegal the trade of alcohol, dead animals, pigs and idols." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What about the fat of dead animals, for it was used for greasing the boats and the hides; and people use it for lights?" He said, "No, it is illegal." Allah's Apostle further said, "May Allah curse the jews, for Allah made the fat (of animals) illegal for them, yet they melted the fat and sold it and ate its price."
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ßÊÇÈ ÇáÌäÇÆÒ (The Book of Funerals)
No. 1295 - Narrated Abi Aiyub:
Once the Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice, and said, "The jews are being punished in their graves."
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ßÊÇÈ ÇáÌäÇÆÒ (The Book of Funerals)
No. 1214 - Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet)
Once Allah's Apostle passed by (the grave of) a jewess whose relatives were weeping over her. He said, "They are weeping over her and she is being tortured in her grave."
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ßÊÇÈ ÇáÕáÇÉ (The Book of Prayer)
No. 428 - Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:
When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.
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I have spoken enough about Mohammad's wives.
In earlier statement, you say all muslim should follow Muhammad and expected to be like him: yea who say that. I never find it in Quran. Or is it that one of the Mullas told you!!!(then god would not create others and give them individul identity. Suppose, If you r a christian, and I tell you do not marry, and don't have sex because Jesus was unmarried. would you do? You would rather try have sex with every girl you like(just kidding).
Mohammad was not only a prophet, also became a leader. The above comments are made by Mohammad during the ongoing war with jews and muslims and the pegans who destroyed their houses. That does not mean you have to them always.fighting is only in self defense or for the establishment of justice; and always fighting is the last option.He was not ruler; but he became the unquestioned ruler of Arabia; and every letter of the Book of God he gave them became law. Was it out of the fear of being killed that all those non-Muslims embraced Islam? And still people are accepting Islam.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 10, 2004 - 09:58 AM
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--Well I did not mean to say this way. What I meant is It would be wasting of time to have chat with some one who disrespect or hate my religon..So it has nothing to do with your being non-muslim..
<<With pleasure! I also do not see a point to discuss with someone whose task is to copy and paste articles of others and post it in her/his name without mentioning the source.
Like it or not, this is called “intellectual property stealing".>>
--If you read the previous line, I mention "Read below".
Now read below what!!!It could be some quotations, could be my own statement or any universal truth, and that was universal truth. If I would write something myself that would be similar to that any way....
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 10, 2004 - 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by TheCodoba
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I have to see if i really want chat with someone like you; besides it is wasting time for me..
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Is this the Islamic attitude? Or may be because I am not Muslim, I better call it a gentle example of Dhimmitude!!
With pleasure! I also do not see a point to discuss with someone whose task is to copy and paste articles of others and post it in her/his name without mentioning the source.
Like it or not, this is called “intellectual property stealing".
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