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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
February 9, 2004 - 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by Brian
Everybody here should greatly enjoy next month's theme...
HUMAN RIGHTS!!!
YAY!!!
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Moderator,
Brian
Im looking forward to it. Ive never given any serious comparisons between Islamic Human Rights & U.N. Human Rights.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
February 9, 2004 - 05:50 AM
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I guess my last post was a decisive finish. Glad to see that i in fact can be clear in what my views are.
Ave Futuria
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Solutions
February 11, 2004 - 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
Fine. But i think its good that you start living for yourself than living for dismissing others. I dont have any particular opinion about that religion. I do have many good solution of many real problems.
Dear Kaiser,
Please share with us "many good solution of many real problems".
Do you have a solution for the very "real" problem of millions of people who are being slaughtered in Sudan by fundamentalist islamists?
References:
http://countrystudies.us/sudan/48.htm
from: http://www.peacepark.us/OldWebSite/week8.html
*This was back in 1996, to date the situation has not improved*
STOP THE GENOCIDE IN SUDAN
Week #8
SUMMARY: Put all the people of Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota together, then kill or remove them all, and you can get an idea of the extent of the horror in Sudan.
Sudan is suffering one of the worst genocidal tragedies in this century: One million people killed. Two million people forced to leave as refugees. Over 750,000 persons placed in inhospitable camps. Another 100,000 placed in even worse camps similar to Nazi Camps in Germany. Thousands of people just disappear - others turn up in their own fields dead and mutilated. Because of fear of being killed, the fields are not planted and great starvation has resulted. Hundreds of villages burnt. Women raped and forced to work for no payment. Children are forced into the army at age ten.
Though there has been war for 13 years, genocide mushroomed when the National Islamic Front (NIF) overthrew the democratic government in l989 and genocide became government policy to wipe out African culture. The NIF opposes solutions offered by neighboring countries, but uses military solutions to implement its own ideology.
Are their solutions? Yes. Make the world aware of the horrors and create international influence to stop the genocide. Dissuade and stop Iran from training the NIF military and stop China from sending weapons. Install and guarantee human rights. And there are others.
(The above summary relates to Mirghani Mohamed's article written October 1, l996, which follows with more details. Dr. Mohamed is from Sudan, but is now in Lincoln, Nebraska, working on his second doctorate - that of computer science. The Futuristic Commentary will follow his article.)
STOPPING THE GENOCIDE IN SUDAN
Introduction:
During Sudan negotiations for the independence from Great British in 1955, South Sudan leaders called for the autonomy of their region due to the repression from the North governments. For one reason or another British and Egypt rejected the idea and preferred to keep Sudan united. After the independence in 1956, the South remained as part of Sudan. The region went through series of wars started early in the sixties till 1972 when the Addis Abbaba agreement was reached between malitia anania-I and Numarie's government. In 1983 another malitia under the name of Sudan People Liberation Army (SPLA) formed when the government violated the agreement. In June, 1989 the National Islamic Front (NIF) took power through a coup against a legitimate democratic government of Sayed El-Sadiq El-Mahadi. The NIF came with a false Islamic vision the has put the war in its irreversible gear that resulted in one of the most uncivilized genocidal tragedy in this century. Recently it extended from the South to the Noba mountains and the Blue Nile.
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From:
http://www.theinterim.com/1999/aug/20unirresp.html
Quote:
"Sudan's radical Islamic government, which has been at war for about 10 years with the country's minorities, allows just enough humanitarian activity into the country to keep the international community off its backs, explained Mr. Middleton. At the same time, it continues to carry out genocidal policies, including killings, displacement and a thriving slave trade.
In the south, the Sudanese government only allows humanitarian relief in designated areas, keeping foreigners out of areas where some of the most harsh persecution is taking place. One area off limits to foreigners is the Nuba Mountains - the origin of reports about some of the worst human rights abuses."
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Other sites of interest:
http://humphrys.humanists.net/islam.html
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/skm_vs_rahman.htm
http://www.domini.org/openbook/sudanexample.htm
http://hrw.org/doc/?t=africa_pub&c=sudan
http://www.omdurman.org/sharia.html
http://www.domini.org/openbook/home.htm
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
February 11, 2004 - 01:45 AM
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Listen, tell me something i dont know yet. How about if you and make a video and send it directly to al jazeera to see all sunnites watching the evidence.
I condone any act of violence as it is against the principles of me and Futurism.
Ave Futuria
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
February 11, 2004 - 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
Listen, tell me something i dont know yet. How about if you and make a video and send it directly to al jazeera to see all sunnites watching the evidence.
I ***'* condone any act of violence as it is against the principles of me and Futurism.
Ave Futuria
Dear Kaiser,
You might want to edit your post, see ***'*above.
Generally, I am keen to hear about the solutions you have to real problems that you mentioned.
Do you think that education is generally a solution?
This site offers a solution to a real problem:
http://www.faithfreedom.org (read the Prologue and Mission Statement)
Regards.
Porky.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
February 14, 2004 - 04:57 AM
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I know the given site very wel and frequently visit it.
But i have my own agenda, which consumes most of my time, thats why i only enter these forums at night.
Solutions r nothing if people hearing them are not ready for this or that reason.
How about for first try making people everywhere to avoid having opinions about others and rather keep them busy fulfilling duties, which preserve birthrights.
Human brain is very simple to convince.
Thats preety much all. Doesnt needs ot be written on 300 pages in order to work & make a sense.
Ave Futuria
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Cyber-Jihad
February 29, 2004 - 11:52 AM
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Read:
Page 5 of this:
http://www.takingitglobal.org/discuss/showthread.html?threadid=5420&perpage=15&pagenumber=5#post29305
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 1, 2004 - 03:08 AM
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During that time what was going on in the Arab world, nothing could be worse than that. People used to kill each others, burnt human alive. they did not have any morality. if newborn were a girl, was burried alive and etc. And god sent muhammad that time. woman did not have any life and social status. The history tells us Muhammad gave the women right. I believe different prophets were sent to the world for different reason.
Now the question is why did Mohammad take 9 year old girl as wife:
For whatever reason, He took 9 year old as wife but it is also mentioned that Muhammad never slept with her util she reach her puberty. Therefore non-muslims should stop making it an issue.
was he a true prophet: se bellow
http://www.answering-christianity.com/open_challenge.htm
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Mohamed has Sex with 9 year old little girl.
March 2, 2004 - 02:07 AM
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In reply to Codoba:
Here is evidence from authentic Islamic literature about Mohammed having sex with a little nine year old child.
This is considered to be paedophilia and statutory rape.
Sahih al-Bukari
كتاب (The Book of the Merits of the Ansar)
No. 3633 - Narrated Aisha: (the little girl wife of Mohammed)
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
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Sahih al-Bukari
كتاب (The Book of the Merits of the Ansar)
No. 3635 - Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
NOTE: "consumed" mean had sex.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 3, 2004 - 04:31 AM
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Yes, u'll soon see several posts on these forums, with more deailed info, and Codex.
But, with care and no opinions, just reason.
Ave Futuria
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 3, 2004 - 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by kaiser
"Keep the past only for knowledge, put effort in Future"
I will be soon posting link to some pages with Futurist content and philosophy, but only when i find you mature enough to read it.
Ave Futuria
That would be some time in the future right, if I satisfy your standard of maturity, right?
This might not be in my future, except if you choose it to be, right?
What if I don't meet your standard of maturity?
What if I don't choose to read the pages?..in the future.
I reckon you should post them anyway, the others on the forum might already be mature enough to read them.
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Reply to Porky
March 3, 2004 - 11:50 AM
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well, boys and girls reach their puberty defferent time depending on culture, location, time frome age 9 to 15.
It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage
According to Christian resources, Mary(peach be upon her) was 12-14 when she got pregnant. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives.
Therefore, Porky stop giving all these sites what says Mohammad is pedophile.
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 3, 2004 - 12:45 PM
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"Keep the past only for knowledge, put effort in Future"
I will be soon posting link to some pages with Futurist content and philosophy, but only when i find you mature enough to read it.
Ave Futuria
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Why anger about islam
March 4, 2004 - 01:36 AM
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I dont understand why there is so much anger involved in discussions of an islamic topic
Anger is a poor thing which never lead to any good
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Re: What's been going on??? (Continuing Islamic discussions)
March 4, 2004 - 01:57 AM
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Codoba:
Futurists are not allowed to marry under the age of 18. There is a chance, but only if you want to marry before 18 you must state your claim and explain thouroughly why so fast. We cant stop two to marry if they want to and have honest intents at that.
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