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What a 25th December 2003
December 26, 2003 - 09:37 AM
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It’s horrible, what my eyes saw is too atrocious for any ears to hear but then I would get talking about it so we all learn something.
It was a 25th December morning 2003 hmmm… the Christmas steam was hovering over the boisterous city of Yaounde in Cameroon. I was just two days old in the country from the US. I came to spend time with my family and merry with friends. I wanted to get away from the frost of the US and its jiggling bells and embrace a bit of the tropical breeze of my country, the heat of the sunny days and the bearable cold of the moonlit nights.
Guess what was awaiting me, 6.00 AM as I returned from a morning church service; my headlamps caught the image of a young girl in pain. She was bleeding all over her and could hardly walk. Acting on the advice of my friend, I halted to know what was happing to her. We rushed her to the University Hospital Center for a medical check and treatment
Get the story she told us when she gained consciousness; For Christ sake! This girl told us she had been beaten by her boyfriend for reasons she would not explain. Now this was a crime and coincidently, my friend was a police boss so we took the coordinates of her boyfriend and left for a cool charismas morning hunt.
What a hunt it turned out to be; I’ve read quite a lot of James Hardly Chase’s thrillers (over 150) and so could better appreciate my friend’s style in tracking down this young man. The guy Peterson as he is called was as huge as an 19th century ape; with my black belt in karate (Nambodoo), I wonder if I would stand his blow if it got to a fight and so I understood immediately why the poor girl was bleeding all over. Peterson was too much of a weight for his creaking bed in a two room shank of an apartment. He almost started a fight as I anticipated but chilled out when my friend fished out his professional card (it’s not a joke to be a six star commissioner of police in Cameroon, people bow at your command)
Back to the story, Peterson told us he had the girlfriend beaten when he met her with another guy in a snack bar on the 24th. He told us, he had sponsored the girl’s charismas’ shopping worth some 60,000 F CFA (equivalent to $109US) hmmm…that’s much money for a young Cameroonian boy selling ice-cream for a living. My friend was not satisfied with his explanations and so called his boys who whisked him off to the police station and so we proceeded to get the new boyfriend. ..What an interesting charismas morning, I was now promoted to an assistant detective.
When we got Clarence – that’s how he’s called, he admitted being with the girl when Peterson saw them. (He was no match for Peterson; in fact, he would be rendered shapeless if he tried to be funny). Clarence told us he was not actually a boyfriend to the girl but rather a client. They had negotiated a small contract for the day worth 50.000 F CFA ($91 US). The said contract stipulated that they were to spend the 24th and 25th (day and night) together. In a like manner, he was whisked off to the police station while we rushed back to the hospital.
There was a white girl sitting beside Nathalie’s (as written in her ID card) bed in the ward when we got there. This immediately stroked a chord in me not for racist reasons of cause but for the probability the fist person to come to her help being white in a predominantly black community. She introduced herself as Benedict. Nathalie had plasters on some sections of her arms and head. Despite these modifications, she is a beautiful girl. Just for curiosity reasons, I took Benedict outside the room for discussions while my friend talked to Nathalie.
It was during this conversation that I realized why it was a white girl who came to her help. I got shocked, disappointed and angry for being involved in the whole setup. Benedict told me she was a lesbian and partner to Nathalie (her pronouncement did set and anti-peristaltic feeling in me that almost sent me vomiting). She went on that Nathalie is a bisexual but very frolicsome and flirts around with as many women as men. And that she loved her and had been trying hard to get her out of all that mess to herself before this unfortunate incident.
You would not imagine this girl felt sorry for Nathalie’s fate but comfortable enough to tell me of their insanity. If only she knew the sickening feeling that was already rising in me like viscous magma in a volcanic vent she would have shut her trap and get lost. Well I recounted the story to my friend and that’s how Benedict got to spend her 25th at the police station. Nathalie would certainly join them there when she comes out of hospital.
Know what, I rushed to the hospital superintendent and told him I was no longer going to food Nathalie’s bills. I told him, she would take care of her bills when she got better. When the superintendent head that she was a bisexual, I say the man’s face develop five different shades of pink from shock. I told my friend to join me in my house latter during the day when he finished with such a nauseating case and left him with his police duties.
Connecting the whole story and beefing up the skeleton, this is what I came up with;
Nathalie is bisexual. She is a sex-partner to Peterson and Benedict (who is trying to convert her from bisexual to a full flesh lesbian). Nathalie negotiates sex-contracts with other people on a regular basis and this time, her client was Clarence. Peterson in sponsoring her charismas shopping this time thought they would spend time together so she be able to pay back in kind but to his dismay, Nathalie got a contract with Clarence and so when off with him. Peterson on investigation got to them and gave Nathalie the beatings of her life.
There I come into the scene with my friend a police officer to discover the whole dirty story and get all of them to pay for their actions. Well may be in the cell they would think it over. This is what celebrating Christmas has come to be to such heartless ingrates.
Homosexuality and lesbianism is not allowed in Cameroon and there is no law that favors homosexuals and lesbians as is in other countries. With occurrences like these, it’s evident that it is practiced already under closed doors and so the forces of law and order are out to bring them to their senses. In most of the cases of such insane behavior, foreigners are always at the center of the game. There’s hardly been a chain of homosexual relationships without the presence of foreigners. In this case, we find benedict as the building block.
I plan to tell my friend to considers freezing Benedict’s passport or she should be repatriated.
This is what my charismas got to be for 2003.
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
December 26, 2003 - 09:57 AM
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KERPLUNK. Congratulations, you have now reached a new low, Abongta. The fact that your opinion changes quickly when you realize a humanbeings sexual preference totally disgusts me. Well now it seems that it is you who portrays such insane behavior.
What was I suppose to learn from your story? Hmm, possibly the fact that your are still ignorant.
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
December 27, 2003 - 06:09 AM
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Abongta,
A human being is a human being. Sexual preferences, as I am sure you are aware, are genetical, not a preference of the mind. Just because this person is a bisexual, it DOES NOT mean you treat them "lower" than any other Human. Reverse the situation. What if a homosexual person/persons looked down on you because you were a hetrosexual person living in a majority homosexual community. How would you feel?
Please, Abongta, please re-consider your position on this issue
Peace Out
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What a 25th December 2003
December 27, 2003 - 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Abongta
It’s horrible, what my eyes saw is too atrocious for any ears to hear but then I would get talking about it so we all learn something.
It was a 25th December morning 2003 hmmm… the Christmas steam was hovering over the boisterous city of Yaounde in Cameroon. I was just two days old in the country from the US. I came to spend time with my family and merry with friends. I wanted to get away from the frost of the US and its jiggling bells and embrace a bit of the tropical breeze of my country, the heat of the sunny days and the bearable cold of the moonlit nights.
Guess what was awaiting me, 6.00 AM as I returned from a morning church service; my headlamps caught the image of a young girl in pain. She was bleeding all over her and could hardly walk. Acting on the advice of my friend, I halted to know what was happing to her. We rushed her to the University Hospital Center for a medical check and treatment
Get the story she told us when she gained consciousness; For Christ sake! This girl told us she had been beaten by her boyfriend for reasons she would not explain. Now this was a crime and coincidently, my friend was a police boss so we took the coordinates of her boyfriend and left for a cool charismas morning hunt.
What a hunt it turned out to be; I’ve read quite a lot of James Hardly Chase’s thrillers (over 150) and so could better appreciate my friend’s style in tracking down this young man. The guy Peterson as he is called was as huge as an 19th century ape; with my black belt in karate (Nambodoo), I wonder if I would stand his blow if it got to a fight and so I understood immediately why the poor girl was bleeding all over. Peterson was too much of a weight for his creaking bed in a two room shank of an apartment. He almost started a fight as I anticipated but chilled out when my friend fished out his professional card (it’s not a joke to be a six star commissioner of police in Cameroon, people bow at your command)
Back to the story, Peterson told us he had the girlfriend beaten when he met her with another guy in a snack bar on the 24th. He told us, he had sponsored the girl’s charismas’ shopping worth some 60,000 F CFA (equivalent to $109US) hmmm…that’s much money for a young Cameroonian boy selling ice-cream for a living. My friend was not satisfied with his explanations and so called his boys who whisked him off to the police station and so we proceeded to get the new boyfriend. ..What an interesting charismas morning, I was now promoted to an assistant detective.
When we got Clarence – that’s how he’s called, he admitted being with the girl when Peterson saw them. (He was no match for Peterson; in fact, he would be rendered shapeless if he tried to be funny). Clarence told us he was not actually a boyfriend to the girl but rather a client. They had negotiated a small contract for the day worth 50.000 F CFA ($91 US). The said contract stipulated that they were to spend the 24th and 25th (day and night) together. In a like manner, he was whisked off to the police station while we rushed back to the hospital.
There was a white girl sitting beside Nathalie’s (as written in her ID card) bed in the ward when we got there. This immediately stroked a chord in me not for racist reasons of cause but for the probability the fist person to come to her help being white in a predominantly black community. She introduced herself as Benedict. Nathalie had plasters on some sections of her arms and head. Despite these modifications, she is a beautiful girl. Just for curiosity reasons, I took Benedict outside the room for discussions while my friend talked to Nathalie.
It was during this conversation that I realized why it was a white girl who came to her help. I got shocked, disappointed and angry for being involved in the whole setup. Benedict told me she was a lesbian and partner to Nathalie (her pronouncement did set and anti-peristaltic feeling in me that almost sent me vomiting). She went on that Nathalie is a bisexual but very frolicsome and flirts around with as many women as men. And that she loved her and had been trying hard to get her out of all that mess to herself before this unfortunate incident.
You would not imagine this girl felt sorry for Nathalie’s fate but comfortable enough to tell me of their insanity. If only she knew the sickening feeling that was already rising in me like viscous magma in a volcanic vent she would have shut her trap and get lost. Well I recounted the story to my friend and that’s how Benedict got to spend her 25th at the police station. Nathalie would certainly join them there when she comes out of hospital.
Know what, I rushed to the hospital superintendent and told him I was no longer going to food Nathalie’s bills. I told him, she would take care of her bills when she got better. When the superintendent head that she was a bisexual, I say the man’s face develop five different shades of pink from shock. I told my friend to join me in my house latter during the day when he finished with such a nauseating case and left him with his police duties.
Connecting the whole story and beefing up the skeleton, this is what I came up with;
Nathalie is bisexual. She is a sex-partner to Peterson and Benedict (who is trying to convert her from bisexual to a full flesh lesbian). Nathalie negotiates sex-contracts with other people on a regular basis and this time, her client was Clarence. Peterson in sponsoring her charismas shopping this time thought they would spend time together so she be able to pay back in kind but to his dismay, Nathalie got a contract with Clarence and so when off with him. Peterson on investigation got to them and gave Nathalie the beatings of her life.
There I come into the scene with my friend a police officer to discover the whole dirty story and get all of them to pay for their actions. Well may be in the cell they would think it over. This is what celebrating Christmas has come to be to such heartless ingrates.
Homosexuality and lesbianism is not allowed in Cameroon and there is no law that favors homosexuals and lesbians as is in other countries. With occurrences like these, it’s evident that it is practiced already under closed doors and so the forces of law and order are out to bring them to their senses. In most of the cases of such insane behavior, foreigners are always at the center of the game. There’s hardly been a chain of homosexual relationships without the presence of foreigners. In this case, we find benedict as the building block.
I plan to tell my friend to considers freezing Benedict’s passport or she should be repatriated.
This is what my charismas got to be for 2003.
too long. But anyway, good effert keep it up.
i will come again to read it.
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
December 29, 2003 - 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by messy
KERPLUNK. Congratulations, you have now reached a new low, Abongta. The fact that your opinion changes quickly when you realize a humanbeings sexual preference totally disgusts me. Well now it seems that it is you who portrays such insane behavior.
What was I suppose to learn from your story? Hmm, possibly the fact that your are still ignorant.
What a girl Messy.! Many thanks for the insults. At least this satisfies me that you are just another empty head and probably one of such freaks.
BoNo_FaN., thanks for your reactions and I respect your opinion.
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
December 29, 2003 - 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by BoNo_FaN
...Reverse the situation. What if a homosexual person/persons looked down on you because you were a heterosexual person living in a majority homosexual community. How would you feel?
Please, Abongta, please re-consider your position on this issue.
BoNo_FaN, I respect your posting and all you’ve said but again you see I can’t just help thinking how ridiculous it would be for a Homosexual who tries in vain to look ‘low’ on heterosexuals. Let me ask you this, how would you feel if a mad man picked up your clothes beside a swimming pool and starts running with it? Would you go chasing him necked? I don’t think so rather you would pity his condition and understand his plight. That is exactly how I would feel towards a gay who looks low on me because I am a heterosexual.
From birth, people move from heterosexuality to Homosexuality and I hardly know of the reverse. I you ask me why, being gay is just one of those bad habits irresponsible people pick around the environment. Nobody was born gay; I mean God would never be that insane.
Don’t tell me Natalie was born a bisexual, she just got into that folly for the sake of making money and that’s why its taking another die-hard lesbian – Benedict all the trouble to get her be a full flesh lesbian.
Somebody did ask me the lessons from my posting and here you ask me to reconsider my position. Well the first lesson learned may be is that normal people made in God’s own image should not afford to downgrade themselves with such beastly attitudes or they be caught in Nathalie’s kind of trap. It could even be something worst.
The second lesson and message I am passing through which I think resolves you demand is that I personally can tolerate gays to the extend of watching them go about their crazy lives you see but come to talk of showing love or extending a hand of fellowship to any of such people is completely out of question. In fact it would take the worlds energy to reverse such vehemence in me.
For example if Nathalie was not what she is, I would have paid her hospital bills as I intended. You can’t expect me to help somebody who intentionally wants to kill herself; it would just be like pouring paint in a river because you want to color a waterfall.
Hmm I’ve just got a phone call from my friend the commissioner; I would be meeting him in his office shortly for a meeting with my four Christmas guests. Rest assured I would keep you posted of the outcome
Gracias
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
December 30, 2003 - 09:09 AM
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Abongta, 'freak' suits me just fine. But if you want to play juvinile games then allow me to quote your profile:
I am designing and producing radio programmes on Pro-life and HIV/AIDS for local radio stations and radio listening groups as a means of changing the sex culture of the youths around me. It is a passion anybody can develop and exploit to their advantage, its one of those passions that has only positive effects.
"sex culture" is heterosexual and homosexual culture, sex is for everyone - live with it. How can you magically transform this 'sex culture' you speak of? Hmm, you honestly think everyone is going to believe in strictly heterosexual relationships? I think not.
You're ridiculous! Let's face it your arguements aren't valid, and no one will go to hell for being gay. God won't punish people for being gay. If God is so great then he should love everyone, he 'made' them didn't he? Blab blab blab. BLAB.
would just be like pouring paint in a river because you want to color a waterfall
What the? I should have seen this coming, you and your pointless cliches. Rivers and waterfalls have nothing to do with this arguement. Why can't you just accept the fact that there are gay people in this world? Stop thinking you are more worthy than they. People are people. You want respect, then friggin' give others some.
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December 31, 2003 - 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by messy
"sex culture" is heterosexual and homosexual culture, sex is for everyone - live with it. How can you magically transform this 'sex culture' you speak of? Hmm, you honestly think everyone is going to believe in strictly heterosexual relationships? I think not.
What a pity that you keep missing the point all the times. Firstly when I talk of ‘sex culture’, I am not necessarily referring to Heterosexuality and Homosexuality. Homosexuality is only just coming into the scene in Cameroon brought by immigrants but it’s not yet a problem so to speak. I am rather talking of Abstinence, Fidelity and “Condoms” (may be I would have talked of sexuality). In Cameroon, its abstinence and Fidelity for married people but some youths still engage in prostitution, and other risky sexual behaviors. That is the culture I am trying to modify and it’s working out so well for the youths of my country. The prevalence rate of HIV in my country has dropped from 12% to 9% in one year as seen in our end of year report. That is wonderful for a beginning I think.
The good news for me that would make bad news for a person of your type is that I have over 3,000 youths that I am working with currently who have signed a commitment contract of abstinence and are keeping up to it. They did this in a public ceremony and in the presence of political leaders as well as their parents. That is my satisfaction and you are not going to stop it can you? Such things are unheard of in your country.
I see your plight very clearly; the problem with you is that you are living in a country with failing moral standards; where the proliferation of pornography prostitution and homosexuality is hypnotizing quiet a good junk of the venerable youths like you and so you find it hard to imagine that there can be another part of the world where all is getting on just fine.
Originally posted by messy
You're ridiculous! Let's face it your arguments aren't valid, and no one will go to hell for being gay. God won't punish people for being gay. If God is so great then he should love everyone, he 'made' them didn't he? Blab blab blab. BLAB.
Yes I agree with you, how do you hope to see any validity in my arguments when you can’t even see beyond your nose? That would be news! A person living in a value-barren community can’t recognize the values of others you know. It’s unfortunate that youths in your county have been brain washed and influenced to the extend that they developed a very high affinity for negativities. You are not going to refuse this; I have countless eye-witness accounts to substantiate this because I come there all the times.
Well it depends on who you conceive God to be. If for a person like you God is a synonym to Lucifer then I agree perfectly with you. But what I must remind you while you dig your own spiritual grave is that; God created man in his own image. There is not even an ounce of homosexuality in God’s personality. Well you are on a good footing; the arms of Lucifer are wide open to welcome people of your caliber.
Originally posted by messy
…Why can't you just accept the fact that there are gay people in this world?...
You need to pay a visit to your psychiatrist before its January 1st ok for you damn need it. To you accepting that gay people exist means bowing to them and imbibing their noxious life style. Is that what you call acceptance?
Let me sink this into your skull for once. I know gay people exist, I know what they are up to; but I also want plug heads like you to understand that there are people out there who hate gays and hate everything that revolve around them. Since you preach understanding, I hope you would take time to understand this point. Acceptance is not compliance so I believe.
Originally posted by messy
…Stop thinking you are more worthy than they. People are people. You want respect, then friggin' give others some.
oooh! You are now God that knows what I think; well it’s not a crime to think so is it? Yes people are people but people are also different. We have insane people and people who are sane. We have people who climb the ladder to the upper circles of success in life and those who remain at the bottom of the ladder, chocking with mediocrity.
So to prove to you that I respect others is to accept homosexuality when my natural blood hates even the spelling of the word, no way. It is because people demand from others that they become vain and bitter when they don’t get what they want. I am a mystic ok, I demand respect from nobody; I am respect by my own right. Giving me respect because you want to please me is like emptying your little glass of water into the ocean. I am just satisfied with who and what I am that I need no outside stimulations again. I generate my enthusiasm from within. Singing praises to me is actually killing me and that is why my enemies are more valuable to me than friends.
My advice is place no demands on others and most of your frustrations and worries would evaporate. I developed this fundamental principle when I was still a kid. Sorry it’s taking you so long to get to it, its ok.
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December 31, 2003 - 12:09 PM
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You are not going to refuse this; I have countless eye-witness accounts to substantiate this because I come there all the times.
Hmm, maybe now is the time to remove the rose tinted glasses of yours. And I'm really sure you visited Canada, just like you have all these 'eye witness accounts' from the United States as well, thanks for sharing the 'facts' once again.
I yes I am the devil ooga chucka ooga chucka..bah.
You need to pay a visit to your psychiatrist before its January 1st ok for you damn need it.
Yeah that's right I'm the one who needs to see a psychiatrist, damn this corrupt mind of mine.
It’s unfortunate that youths in your county have been brain washed and influenced to the extend that they developed a very high affinity for negativities
Oh yes, that's totally right, Canada has brainwashed me. I'm an optimistic youth who believes in the rights and oppertuinities of all people. It's a shame that the influence of my society has been so negative.
I also want plug heads like you to understand that there are people out there who hate gays and hate everything that revolve around them.
Wow this statement is ironic. It seems that it's you who hates everything that revolves around you. How do you expect to make any positive change in one such community if all you do is tell others that they are wrong, that alternative lifestyles are wrong? I could grab endless quotes from the bible, or the good book, wow that gives me such credibility. Just because you read it must mean it's true.
emptying your little glass of water into the ocean
Wow. thanks for yet another inspiring cliche from the Abongta files.
It is clear to me that you are just an attention seeker. You disagree with anything that is unorthadox or that is alternative. You can't accept change. And now is my turn to give you some advice for 2004. Open your mind. You're missing out on so much if you treat other human beings with such disrespect and disregard. You can learn to tolerate. It has been said that you can bring a donkey to water, but you can't make him drink. Regardless if he accepts, he is still a jackass.
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January 5, 2004 - 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by messy
Hmm, maybe now is the time to remove the rose tinted glasses of yours. And I'm really sure you visited Canada, just like you have all these 'eye witness accounts' from the United States as well, thanks for sharing the 'facts' once again.
Thanks very much ‘prophet’ Messy’. That makes you the more outlandish, if you are glued to one geographical location, it’s not everybody ok; I travel much more than you would ever imagine. No doubt I now see why you are starving in cultural diversity and can hardly see beyond the towering buildings of Canada. May be you would like to know that I was disappointed when I got to Canada (Though not as much as the US). Anyway I see you express the burning desire to visit Africa some day in your profile. May be a set bout organizing your flight arrangements as a token to a person wanting to meet a morally updated community.
Wow this statement is ironic. It seems that it's you who hates everything that revolves around you. How do you expect to make any positive change in one such community if all you do is tell others that they are wrong, that alternative lifestyles are wrong? I could grab endless quotes from the bible, or the good book, wow that gives me such credibility. Just because you read it must mean it's true.
Nonsense, and get this clearly ok, change comes in when we throw bad and outmoded habits for better ones. I hate a particular life style in the people concerned and that is homosexuality. I hate homosexuality because it’s utterly insane full stop. I don’t hate people for nothing. Tell you what, I equality hate polygamy practiced in most parts of Africa and polyandry practiced in some parts of Asia. I’m equally campaigning against such obscenities but if we were to compare homosexuality to polygamy or polyandry, I think I’ll prefer polygamy or polyandry. That would be acting like a drowning man clicking on a floating serpent but its much better anyway. This should give you an idea of the enormity I harbor when it comes to gays and lesbians.
It is clear to me that you are just an attention seeker. You disagree with anything that is unorthodox or that is alternative.
This makes me laugh you know! I just wonder to whom or from whom I would want to seek attention. If it means drilling this into your head then I would do. I don’t need outside stimulation to determine how I feel ok. Even if I did, it would not be from pro-homosexual fanatics. Nobody goes to an asylum to seek attention do you? I am the man on the mountain top trying to show the way to the lost breed in the pathless woods down the moral swamps. Well needless to tell you that the lost breed I refer to are gays. I am a conformist ok, and so you don’t expect me to comply with unorthodox lifestyles.
You can't accept change. And now is my turn to give you some advice for 2004. Open your mind. You're missing out on so much if you treat other human beings with such disrespect and disregard. You can learn to tolerate. It has been said that you can bring a donkey to water, but you can't make him drink. Regardless if he accepts, he is still a jackass.
Well in this context, it depends on the direction of the change. There is a positive as well as a negative change and I know that change is unavoidable. But you want me to accept a negative change which is impossible. Homosexuality is a retrogressive sense of change and not compatible with my person. I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks about this. I don’t accept it as far as it disturbs my very happiness. I don’t think you would like to live in the Jurassic era infested with dinosaurs if it got to it would you? That would be change anyway.
Well to the rest of the group, updates of Nathalie's case would be yours in my next posting. I hope some of these false prophets would spare me the time
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January 6, 2004 - 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Abongta
Thanks very much ‘prophet’ Messy’. That makes you the more outlandish, if you are glued to one geographical location, it’s not everybody ok; I travel much more than you would ever imagine. No doubt I now see why you are starving in cultural diversity and can hardly see beyond the towering buildings of Canada. May be you would like to know that I was disappointed when I got to Canada (Though not as much as the US). Anyway I see you express the burning desire to visit Africa some day in your profile. May be a set bout organizing your flight arrangements as a token to a person wanting to meet a morally updated community.
hmm... Africa is really culturally diverse?? That's new to me. Last time I checked, it was mostly ONE culture hence NOT culturally diverse. (culturally rich yes...) Canada's population is one of the most diverse populations in the world.
Let me sink this into your skull for once. I know gay people exist, I know what they are up to; but I also want plug heads like you to understand that there are people out there who hate gays and hate everything that revolve around them. Since you preach understanding, I hope you would take time to understand this point. Acceptance is not compliance so I believe.
Bringing it right back to race, I know black people exist, I know what they're up to (millions are in jail in the USA) and I would also like to let you know that there are thousands of people out there who hate black people and everything that revolves around them. (sound familiar??)
You really aren't very understanding are you?
You'll just come back and say this is a different topic, well boo hoo, go cry about it.
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
January 6, 2004 - 04:50 AM
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Well... I am not even going to begin to debate Aboganta on homosexuality.. most of you (and certainly he) knows my views enough.
While I am tempted to ask someone to suspend his account (you know, the whole 'i hate people' thing can only last so long before it starts to really not be dissident but just downright harmful to others).. but until someone who seems really hurt by his remarks files suit, its not in my place.
Though what I am more interested about, as I sort of posted in your updates Aboganta, is how exactly your legal system works... In that haepeus corpus seems to be non-existant, and that heresay seems to be enough to arrest someone. What about warrants, evidence? I mean, if someone admits to killing someone, the police do not arrest that person until there is significant evidence OR a case is already opened. just because somebudy says that they are gay/bi, whatever, does not really prove it. I mean.. you'd have to really catch someone in the act of having sex to prosecute them. Yes, I think it is a shame that you'd prosecute someone for their sexual orientation.. but nonetheless, my faults are with your legal system's procedure.
Oh yeah: if you're going to claim to be trying to do the workings of Christ - perhaps you should do your best not to pass judgement onto others and even if you do not like a particular trait about someone, have love and compassion for them rather than contempt. To know that you all of a sudden felt a sense of loathing for someone just because of what they do personally, that (I'd hope) does not hurt others.. well... that to me seems like passing judgement and not extending love. Like, there was a time when I was homophobic, but there was just this (rather bizzare, now that I think of it) fear of being hit on... but no loathing or contempt. That's just me though...
BTW, was anyone participating in a PRIDE event this year? I went to Pride in S.F., it was pretty neat.. didn't like the 'dikes on bikes' (self name) though - they refused to let any men be around them. Equality indeed, dammit!
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Michael
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No, I will not look at it through hatred
January 6, 2004 - 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Abongta
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jedimike
[B]…heresay seems to be enough to arrest someone. What about warrants, evidence? I mean, if someone admits to killing someone, the police do not arrest that person until there is significant evidence OR a case is already opened. Just because somebudy says that they are gay/bi, whatever, does not really prove it. I mean. You’d have to really catch someone in the act of having sex to prosecute them. Yes, I think it is a shame that you'd prosecute someone for their sexual orientation. But nonetheless, my faults are with your legal system's procedure.
Well Jedimike, firstly it’s not a tittle-tattle kind of thing. Remember we are told in the account that Peterson was arrested for physically assaulting Nathalie and not because of their sexual orientation which he admits at the police station. Nathalie was bleeding all over her when we met her helpless by the road side after he was done with her. Clarence and Benedict were taken to the police station to help in investigations and none of these persons was whisked off in handcuffs ok.
They all have the right to call in their lawyers at any one point they desire (Benedict has done just that already). Besides, homosexuality, bisexuality and lesbianism are not favored by the Cameroon law and so culprits should be punished if found guilty. Many more stories connected in the whole thing are beginning to surface but I don’t think I would share them with you because of the way things are turning out here each time I make a move.
Oh yeah: if you're going to claim to be trying to do the workings of Christ - perhaps you should do your best not to pass judgement onto others and even if you do not like a particular trait about someone, have love and compassion for them rather than contempt. To know that you all of a sudden felt a sense of loathing for someone just because of what they do personally, that (I'd hope) does not hurt others. well... that to me seems like passing judgment and not extending love. Like, there was a time when I was homophobic, but there was just this (rather bizzare, now that I think of it) fear of being hit on... but no loathing or contempt. That's just me though...
I hope you are not suggesting that I would have paid Nathalie’s bills at the hospital as planed even after what I learned about her sexual life. Well for a man like me, that would be a crazy thing to do. I can not be showing love to the same people I hate. I understand them but I don’t sponsor the consequences of their sexual orientations. In life, we should be ready to bear the consequences of the choices we make. I don’t see myself showing love to people who don’t value love and who abuse love. It’s just enough for me to let them be ok, that is not being contemptuous I think.
You are right to think I’m judging others, that’s your opinion but then if refusing to renders a service to somebody you distaste because of their sexual orientation is seen to be passing judgment then I can’t help being guilty of such a fault.
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Ok... but the point is, being handcuffed does not mean you are not being arrested. I've been arrested twice (at protests) and once was by handcuffs, the other was by dragging me and throwing me in a 'detention area' which was a gates/guarded thing by the police. I was read my rights. The charges were dropped about 20 minutes after I got there - all they wanted to do was take my camera, heh. The point is... is that you guys are arresting 2 people (patterson of course should have been arrested) on the presumption that they are doing something against Cameroon laws in regards to sex. The problem is... you'd either have to (1) have both parties admit to it and show proof, (2) catch them in the act. Probable cause is well and fine, but its pretty hard to cooberate that with sexual pracices. Say someone asks for you to prove you're straight.. what are you gonna do? Grab the nearest woman and show off?
"I can not be showing love to the same people I hate." - you
I think it is rather a shame, then, that you hate anyone and then claim that you can also love. Do you believe that Christ had hate in his heart? Or forgiveness and acceptance, if even he was dissapointed? No, do not claim that you are just much more fallable - Jesus was no different than you or I, just a good man who had some sort of divine inspiration.. his words, his teachings matter more than who he was. If you claim to be following them, then how can you hate?
Perhaps 'hate' means different things to you and I. To me, to hate someone is worse than the feeling of wanting death to befall upon something... it goes beyond that, beyond damnation. If this is what it means also for you - then I really would rather not talk to you. I do not pity mass murders, inspired by hate and power and rused by ideology. My hope is that you just do not attain power nor the ability to murder. The ideology and hate is obviously there already.
If, in fact, hate is not as strong a word to you as it is me, forgive my standoffish feelings and perhaps explain what you mean. Maybe if 'hate' to you means something like 'frustration' then I have just be misunderstanding you. My thoughts, however, are that you did indeed mean the prior definition.
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Michael
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Re: What a 25th December 2003
January 6, 2004 - 05:11 AM
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<<Again>>
Eh, apology accepted Captain Needa... (only a few people may get this)
ok, ok.. no really- thanks for your apology, it seemed sincere. And really... not that I want to start a big debate - but why is it that all white people are white? Like, ok, that seemed weird.. maybe not the place to discuss it here. I'm American, and have Irish, native american, british and french roots... but somehow pretty much all of those are just white. Maybe its because most of the 'white' people just dont care... :shrugs: Any how... I'm more of a pluralist - recognize differences, just celebrate them... to be who we are, but without any care to it really, or let it play into decision making beyond our own personal lives.
Getting back to the post: I was trying to be somewhat objective.. I also disagreed with Hugh's comment regarding diversity and culturally rich... but I did not think it really warrante a response. I did not think it meaningfully incensitive: just wrong. Since there was not really a huge fanfare about it, I thought it would have been trivial to post a response... but any how.
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Sorry!!!
January 6, 2004 - 05:17 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by hugh
hmm... Africa is really culturally diverse?? That's new to me. Last time I checked, it was mostly ONE culture hence NOT culturally diverse. (culturally rich yes...) Canada's population is one of the most diverse populations in the world.
That tells me how much you know Africa. May be I go back to your dictionary and get the meaning of the word diverse . My kid knows what a rich culture is and what a diverse culture is.
I agree! For the fact that Canada has a diverse population gives no measure of how much its people imbibe cultural diversity especially the ‘prophet’ in question.
[B}Bringing it right back to race, I know black people exist, I know what they're up to (millions are in jail in the USA) and I would also like to let you know that there are thousands of people out there who hate black people and everything that revolves around them. (Sound familiar??)
That is no news. It would be news if abysmal fellows like you know the worth of blacks. I am indifferent if the whole white world hate blacks so long as I know my worth and capabilities. I don’t need whites to exist and so I care the damn if they hate me. I am proud of my melanin , no bloody white gave it to me and none is going to take it.
Tell you what; you fail in your stupid mission ok. It takes considerable energy to upset me and that’s not for chicken heads like you. Jail as many blacks is you wish, a flashlight on a mountain top can never be hidden.
I travel to the US once every month to offer services that none of you white cocoons have been able to offer. Go stop my contract if you think you can.
You really aren't very understanding are you?
Well, I am just as understanding as you are. Go eat your mother’s food and be happy
You'll just come back and say this is a different topic, well boo hoo, go cry about it
I would do if you were somebody of substance ok but I understand your quandary, I accept your shortsightedness and so I would do no such thing. Doing that would be like chasing a mad man who’s running away with my cloths.
The topic says ‘what a December 25 2003’ get on board
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