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Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
December 17, 2003 - 05:16 AM
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Dear Friends,
I have just moved to the United States and must admit that I do not understand the way Americans think about Saddam or the conflict in Iraq, but have not heard much information about what non-Americans think either. I REALLY want to know what our brothers and sisters in North African/Middle Eastern/Muslim countries think about Saddam's capture. If anyone from Saudi, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, Israel etc. can reply to my post, I want to learn your opinion. Is this good or bad for Iraqis and the world, and why? What do you think should and will happen now? We can all gain from your perspective.
If you are from a non-Middle Eastern country we want your opinion also of course, but please be kind and think twice before posting here. We must give others a voice.
With Love and Grace, clarita
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Re: Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
December 17, 2003 - 02:07 AM
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Well,Clarita
Ofcourse we didn't have to loose those millions of lives to get that man..and do you think he'll be having a fair trial???
Ofcourse not...
But,on the other hand I know that a lot of Americans are feeling a lot of sympathy with Palestinians,so the picture is not that dark and I also know that a lot of them do not know where The Middle East is situated..
I also wish that some of the Middle east citizens and others also would join our discussion...
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Different Perspectives
December 17, 2003 - 06:02 AM
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Clarita,
You really are talking about an important issue,and there's a real big gap between us (here in the middle east) and between the non-middle easterns,as we both look at things from different perspectives.
For example ( and I think I allready mentionned it in one of my updates) I'm not quite happy about the capture of Saddam,and I'm not talking now about liking or hating the guy it's just so humiliating the way he got caught and the way it'll go on..
As people outside Middle East do not really know a thing about the man they call terrorist,by the way I'm quite aware about the crimes he has committed and i'm not defending the guy but the times when he committed those crimes he was an allie of America and no one ever talked about him being a criminal..
And now,everybody just remembers the things he had done more than 15 years ago,and who has ever the right to judje him and execute him???shouldn't be the Iraqi themselves???
And if we get back to the War on Iraq,more than 8 months ago can everbody tell me about the reason for that??was it WMD that are still missing??or was it just to catch that man???and did it worth to lose and kill thousands of lives to get that man??
and it's the same issue when we talk about the Israeli palestini conflict,we never hear people talking about crimes committed about Israeli people,about the lives ( the millions of lives) they killed and no convincing reason for that but I just hear them talking about the Palestinis being terrosists...
And I'm not just feeling that we're attacked because we're muslims or Arabs ..no,I don't have that problem but I just try to explain that we're both looking at things from different perspectives..
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Re: Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
December 17, 2003 - 06:33 AM
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Dear Yaras,
I am honored by your opinion and your honesty. My heart breaks over the biased representation of "terrorists," Palestinians, Iraqis, etc.
I agree - the Iraqis and/or the UN should judge Saddam. I pray that this happens.
You ask, "was it worth it to lose and kill thousands of lives to get that man?" What is your opinion? Do you it was worth it?
I know the global media may not show it, but please know that many people in the US are sympathetic to the Palestinians and understand that the situation is not so black and white as the media represents it.
Do any other members from the Middle East/North Africa have a response?
Thank you for educating us, clarita
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Paid too much for it....
December 18, 2003 - 02:31 AM
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More than 10s of thousands of lose of lives , millions of houses destroyed , millions of people made out of work and unemployed, children lost parents and parents lost children , during the nights of mid-march (not sure of the exact date) picture from Baghdad could have not been differentiated with Video Games,lossing a legend peace maker and conflict transformer Sarje-Verio-Demilli (IS the name right) ,Iraq turned to a laboratory of testing and using the deadliest ever bombs and weaponry that would is alarming for a poor envoirnment even years after the stop of the war , house to house searches during the nights with out any respect to the local way of life or religion , and off course the lost of more than 250 well trained young sons and daughters of America , and don’t count the financial loses , all for nothing but finally finding a man in a rat-hole, was it worth all that was paid for it?
Saddam was a brutal dictator, an oppressor of his people and mother land .. He no doubt is the most responsible for what is going on in Iraq and what happened to the innocent and voiceless Iraqis. It was his brutal way of leadership that turned the world against him , but he did not lose anything , it was the Iraqi people who paid for it and who suffered because of it and the world stayed watching.
I like the UN as the only legitimate global decision making body, but at times I hate its polices just as the continuation of economic sanctions on Iraq? The reason of imposing the sanctions was Saddam , yet the world had a clear view that these sanctions were by no means troubling Saddam , but they were killing more Iraqis, they still stayed watching and letting the innocent Iraqis suffer.
Saddam is guilty of not only the 2 millions lives that he has taken during has rule but the wars he started on his neighbors and the tortures, rapes and so on …...
The attacks on his neighbors, this is where the real face of Saddam appeared , right?
History says that when the Islamic Revolution led by Khomeini took place in Iran, it was moving rapidly and fears of the revolution may go beyond Iranian borders and occur in the whole of middle east and the region were there around.
Who stopped that happen (I welcome whomever that did so, because the revolution was an extreme with extremist and fundamental ideologies) ? Saddam was the man who came on the way of the Iranian Revolution going beyond Iranian borders (By the help of his then very close friends and allies, you all know who), was he an ally of Fundamental Terrorists then, it don’t like the term terrorists for those people I would say it this way, Was he with the fundamentals or against them??? You judge??? Very surprising that he later on was linked with religious fanaticism and religious extremism that’s also called terrorism by many and rightly so.
Its no doubt that those who commit crimes and those who breach principles would one day or the other in one way or the other have to pay for it and can never escape justice history has kept proving this, but its just time that decides whose turn is when, to face the music of all the tunes that he/she has played till then, and Saddam is a clear example of this.
This man needs to answer for what he has done, no one doubts this. But the crucial issue is that who can try him and for what?
For What ? Many crimes , and visible ones too.
Who to try him? This is may seem a very easy question because everyone believes that this man can be proved guilty by whatever court of justice and any trial , but don’t take this that easy .
America has already fueled great deal of anger when it acted in a region it has less to do, and if it gets involved in the trial of Saddam (That it in any case would do behind the scenes) its going to do no good and would generate more anti-Americanism and hatred in this region.
I doubt the legitimacy , capacity , authority , and reach of the Governing Council that every now and again comes up with statements stating that its they who would arrange the trial.
No Saddam , would have been a very welcomed news if the Iraqis were not to suffer then on , if they were to be free from then on , if they had not lost so much and had not paid too much for it , and if they had guaranties of prosperity and happiness which unfortunately for the time being I don’t see in Iraq.
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Saddam Saddam Saddam...
December 21, 2003 - 05:15 AM
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Dear Clarita,
that's how to lead a "global" discussion, I appreciate that.
Most of my friends, colleagues, relatives, neighbours, and most of the people I know in Egypt and the Arab world are feeling a mixture of sadness and happinness in the same time, as a consequence of Saddam's capture.
People are sad not because of their simpathy with Saddam, but because seeing an Arab leader being captured in such a humiliating manner. They are happy also because we, Muslims, and I have to say it, we have a kind of prayer in which we say :"God, let evildoers compete with each other, away from the beleivers"; to not get confused, we consider the American occupation forces as evildoers, and we consider Saddam also as an evildoer, therefore, the presence of just one evildoer "the US army", is better for us than the additional presence of Saddam.
Most important, if you have seen the video tape that recorded Saddam's capture in an Iraqi farm, you may notice, clearly, that a palmtree standing behind the scene was having mature dates; which raises a lot of questions: Saddam's capture was declared last week, but dates don't get mature in December, but this happens only in August and September. This may rise countless and endless questions about the timing which the US authority has chosen to release the video tape. Has it to do with the coming presidential elections? Has it to do with the bdelivery of a hidden message to every Arab and Muslim leader who is intending to get out of the US imposed loyalty? Or has it to do with the relatively low spirit of the US GI's in Iraq, caused by the daily casualties?
We believe strongly, that the CIA is not that innocent, we believe that Saddam was brought into power in Iraq in 1979 by US hidden help, in order to be a knife in the back of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. I think that your media had told you about the use of US-made biological and Chemical weapons by Saddam against the Iranians in the Iraq-Iran war,...and you may check the US mid-1980 magazines and newspapers,where you can see numerous photos of the present US minster of defense Donald Rumsfeld smiling to Saddam Hussein, and shaking hands in front of the camera."Rumsfeld used to be the responsible for supplying Iraq with its war needs against Iran."
We believe also that a meeting was done between the US ambassador in Iraq, and between Saddam Hussein in July 1990, in which Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was approved by your government. We believe also that when Saddam invaded Kuwait, the US broke its promise with Saddam, and took his invasion as a good chance to settle with its troops in the Arab oil-rich states, under the cliché of protecting them from Saddam. The US didn't overthrow Saddam then, because he was NEEDED to be an excuse for the US's military presence in the Gulf. I think you have to know that the Oil-rich Gulf countries paid to the US billions of dollars for protecting them from their bad neighbor Saddam.
Later on, when Saddam's role was completed, the US turned to Afghanistan, east of Iran... and then invaded Iraq, west of Iran, I mean oil-rich, Islamic, strategic, Iran!
That's we believe in, it might be true, it might be wrong, but everything around us makes us believe more and more in it.
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A Trial for History
December 21, 2003 - 07:05 AM
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Dear Clarita,
I won't give an introduction for an article or to enumerate historical facts or events nor give a defense for Islam, Muslims, Arab and so Arab countries & their Governors.
Actually I'd like to ask about How far will be the justice of Sadam's trial?
When and where it 'll be held?
As most of us know that such trials you can't judge the only Governor but you dealing with the whole epoch (period) considering all parts and details at that time (all over the world. Especially which had been involved with that country or Governor -I do believe that the fact is not only Sadam & its country nor system only-)
It will be a trial for History …….
And who got the courage to face the reality and accept it.
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Re: Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
December 21, 2003 - 11:02 AM
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querida clarita el mundo esta al reeves pero entuinterior podras encontrar el unico refuguio verdadero
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Re: Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
December 22, 2003 - 05:44 AM
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mi amigo German,
if you please, can you post your comments in English so that everybody could understand them,
Gracias..
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Re: Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
December 22, 2003 - 10:54 AM
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wow that was really retarded for bush..because they lost thousands of lives just to catch a mouse like saddam??? bush is wrong too..it aint worth it..one persons life is a lot already..and its also saddams fault because he was too much of a coward to be a man so he hid himself in a cave with the money..how stupid can he get???and surrounder just like that after thousands of saddams troops and bushes troop had died in a really violent way??
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Re: Saddam Opinions From Members in the Middle East Wanted
January 2, 2004 - 06:46 AM
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Dear Nelson,
please read my first post on that issue..
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