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Brian
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Re: the legal position of gays in Egypt.
March 26, 2004 - 10:23 AM
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Of all the gay people I have known I can't think of any that see it as a choice. I know a few people will "experiment" with the same sex...that's not the same as being gay. I've had people tell me they knew they were gay at a very young age and didn't have a choice in the matter. I have known a couple of gays that tried to go "straight" and failed miserably. One guy actually got married and divorced because he couldn't live the lie. His wife actually understood and they stayed friends.
I don't recall ever choosing to be straight, I just am.
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Yes and No
March 27, 2004 - 07:30 AM
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I agree and do not agree that gays do not have a choice in the matter and that it is a part of natural sexuality just as anything else.Many people are mixed and they can choose to live one way or the other ( infact most are)
The problem arises when gays flaunt it and encroach on areas that are meant for straights
such as marriage. Now marriage is a concept and preserve of straights. it was created most of all because of need of kids. Gays should not try to get such a concept introduced in society.
if they want to live together, no one is stopping them from doing so, or even from forming economic partnerships
the second thing is about flaunting.
one must realise that a lot of people are mixed gay and straight. Society always likes to encourage the straight side so that it can be perpetuated. By gays flaunting there preferences they may cause some to move over to the gay side when they need not.
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Gray
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Re: the legal position of gays in Egypt.
March 27, 2004 - 10:47 AM
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Gays do not flaunt any more than other people. Much is made of gay pride marches. However these are generally aimed at raising awareness. Marriage is not justa religous program it is a legal contract that enables people certain rights. It is these rights that gay people are asking for - the same rights as heterosexuals. Why should they be denied rights based on sexuality. If it was a racial issue then there would be no issue.
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Daniel A. Townsend
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Re: the legal position of gays in Egypt.
March 27, 2004 - 12:35 PM
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It is interesting that you should it should be mentioned that marriage is meant for straight people..wow and guess that straight people are of a superior race and of such they should have more rights and enjoy more priviledges that the rest of the "sexual deviants"....I mean we are now selective in what some people can do and what can't....Question: I wonder you much we have change since slavery?.....But let me give you a little history on marriage in the middle ages the institution of marriage was for one reason the legitmization of passge of inheritance, in essence a child born in wedlock would have more priveldges than the bastard child!!! But more interesting lets look at it today marriage is not the same the thing same thing it used to be for heavens sake people get married on TV to win a million dollars? What do you say about that?
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Gray
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Re: the legal position of gays in Egypt.
April 2, 2004 - 05:56 AM
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Garriage - isnt that where you park a car?
The point is exactly the matter of rights. The concept of marriage is not a religous one it is purely a matter of acceptance. The Us army was at one point segregated (actually until pretty recently), there where black units and regiments. Surely by your deffinition this was not racist because the blacks had their own version of an army!
Gay people want the same rights as everyone else, this includes the right to be in a loving relationship with someone and have the economic and social benefits garnered from that relationship. Your garriage system would not provide tax benefits, medical rights, legal rights that are implied by mariage. Mariage is a legal concept developed to ensure the rights of children. The religous overtones are secondary. As for children, do gay people not like children? Many gay people have children, these may come from stright relationships or from donated sperm or even from the pure desire to have children.,
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ashok malhotra
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GAY WEDS
April 2, 2004 - 11:28 AM
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Please dont misunderstand me.
I have not said that straights should have more rights.
but you do have to admit there are differences, you cant deny these. for example straights have kids and they enjoy from front.
and do admit, Marriage is a concept of the straights, why encroach on it??
why not invent your own and call it garridge or gay-ridge or whatever
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Daniel A. Townsend
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Re: the legal position of gays in Egypt.
April 3, 2004 - 05:11 AM
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this is what I don't understand why should we be treated differently.....I have always maintained this point gay people don't want to be treated different they want to be treated equally..yes ofcourse we are special but we shouldn't be denied the same rights that everybody shares....so where do you come with this garriage is absolute crap....
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Re: the legal position of gays in Egypt.
April 14, 2004 - 01:51 AM
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Well. Thats not a surprise for me. I espected death sentence or something. (I have always low expectations about men)
There is no need for gay people to support such community. They can join another community, which is more supportive to them and give efforts to its sucess then. Futuria is such a community - may it be preserved!
Ave Futuria
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New Laws in Zanzibar
April 14, 2004 - 10:44 AM
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At the risk of opening this thread again, I just wanted to note that on Tuesday, Zanzibar's parliament unanimously passed a bill outlawing homosexuality, with prison terms of up to 25 years for gay relationships (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/14/world/zanzibar_040414). If the bill becomes law, a person found guilty of sodomizing a minor will receive an automatic life sentence. The penalty for a homosexual relationship between men will be a 25-year sentence, and the punishment for a lesbian relationship will be a seven-year sentence.
Two things that are interesting to note about this:
1) As laws become more liberal in some parts of the world re: same sex marrige, other parts of the world are reacting vehemently in the opposite direction. Force... couterforce.
2) I continue to be fascinated by the fact that penalties for lesbians are less than those for gay men. I suspect it dovetails with a view of women as somehow weaker and therefore less culpable than men. Or its just that lawmakers are male and are more freaked out by the notion of gay men than women.
Go figure.
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