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onyinye
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Homosexual Marriage
November 22, 2003 - 11:03 AM
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Do you sanction Gay Marriage? If yes Why? If no Why?.
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Vageesan I.
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
November 22, 2003 - 09:58 AM
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i Define Marriage as a union between a man and a women. Im against Gay Marriage... I dont want it in our society. i dont want it 2 be Our exposed to out children. No!
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Umi A.
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Yeesh!
November 22, 2003 - 10:50 AM
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Here we go again.
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Josh
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
November 23, 2003 - 11:53 AM
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i am bi and vage is rather old fashioned. if we didnt evolve and embrace new cultures, then we would still be cannibals and savages . I think people like vage should have the sense to realise that humanity is evolving and it will continue without him unless he realises
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Sarah
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
November 26, 2003 - 07:39 AM
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What is wrong with the union of two people who love each other? If you're in love, you should be able to get married. This is the twenty-first century, we're meant to be over the whole descrimination thing. A couple is a couple, whether gay or heterosexual, and the argument that it isn't allowed by your religeon doesn't hold, because a sexual relationship out of wedlock probably isn't either.
People need to be more accepting of other people's sexuality. These days, people from different cultures and different religeons marry each other, so why not same-sex couples?
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Aneeka Nand
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gay marriage
November 27, 2003 - 07:39 AM
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I agree with smiling-bkwrm1. Personally, I don’t see what the big deal is with marriage between gay couples. The problem is society placing stigma and discrimination on these couples and their children. These people will eventually have to live it and deal with it, just like those filled with racism and prejudice have dealt with, and are having to deal with living among an increasingly multi-cultural and multi-racial environment in many countries. If political powers are pushed enough by the homosexual (and heterosexual) community, it is inevitable that gay marriage will be sanctioned in many nations.
New Zealand was the first country to give women the right to vote, and now its government is following in suit of the Netherlands and Belgium to give homosexual couples the same legal rights as heterosexual couples. This doesn’t mean gay marriage will be introduced but at least it’s a start. The rest of the world, at least some parts of it, will probably slowly follow these three countries. If this change occurs in the masses, one day in the distant future all our history books will show that marriage and the discrimination of an individual’s sexual orientation, is just as silly as marriage and racial discrimination
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Aneeka Nand
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gay marriage
November 27, 2003 - 09:27 AM
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I dont get it? What has the corruption of Africans by Europe got to do with gay marriage? Africa does not have to follow 'Europe' if it does not want to. Thats why I said "some parts of the world" will follow. But even so, there will still be religious and other kinds of opposition in Western countries.
And I also dont understand what you mean about a relationship between people who can not have children? A gay couple can have children in other ways like adoption or in vitro fertilization (if they can afford it). The problem though is being accepted in the society they live in.
I still think gay marriage will eventually be sanctioned in more nations, and yes they are more likley to be in Western countries.
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okeke onyekachi
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
November 27, 2003 - 10:40 AM
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All i have to say is that life is good amd precious and anyboby that loves life shold leave it to the fullest but gay marriage or lessbians that is arrand nonsence cos any marriage or relationship that does not bring fort children is as good as bad ,I think its time europe stop corupting african for such thing are ungodly and are not pure and holy
i almost forgot gay mariage is bad
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Julia
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
November 28, 2003 - 12:22 PM
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Yeesh, indeed. I'm not entirely sure if it's 'right' or 'wrong' but it really shouldn't make a difference... people should be free to make their own decisions and do what they want to do with their lives and if people don't like it they don't have to do it... but people shouldn't be able to impose their sense of morals on others who don't share their beliefs. If I think something's wrong, I can tell someone but I shouldn't be able to force them not to do it. People should be free.
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Joel Kang
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
December 5, 2003 - 02:57 AM
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Seesh!
onyi200: That kind of thinking is extremely old. Real old. As old as cavemen. In the beginning, humans were like any other creature: eat, sleep and reproduce. However, we have outlived that. We are now beings which are able to learn, expand etc. To think that a man and woman should only be together for making babies is not only insulting to heterosexual and homosexual homosapiens, but also to the concept of love. If a couple is to be together just for reproduction, why is there a need for courtship? Why is there a need for love? Why is there a need for marriage? Why not just screw(mind the crudeness) and get along with life? Because marriage is a bond between two people who have developed a strong bond with each other, not a bond between 2 sex-crazed animals.
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Johannes
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
December 5, 2003 - 05:20 AM
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Ok it seems to me this topic comes up way too often! And its often irritating because it’s the rehashing of the same topics and arguments over and over again.
I agree with what “e to the I pi” – sorry your name is just funny! And with what she says.
“I'm not entirely sure if it's 'right' or 'wrong' but it really shouldn't make a difference... people should be free to make their own decisions and do what they want to do with their lives and if people don't like it they don't have to do it... but people shouldn't be able to impose their sense of morals on others who don't share their beliefs.”
I think I’d like to maybe state some of the values of TIG, not to muzzle any sort of debate on this topic or anything but I think we should come into the discussion or any discussion with this in our minds. (I’m not a volunteer at TIG or anything but its listed on their “about us” section of the website.
Empowerment, understanding, diversity, community, equal access, courage, friendship, making connections
I think for me... I hope that I’d be able to make my own decisions if I want to marry, or have kids. On the other hand I’m Korean and I’m Gay. My values, my background, and my sexuality all make up a bit of me. I hope that in my life I don’t come across someone who tells me or forces me not to be gay, or something that I am, because it would be shutting down the lines of communication to promote change and maybe a possible friendship.
Corny posting of mine... but at least its mine.
Johannes
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Umi A.
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Playing the devil's advocate.
December 6, 2003 - 07:35 AM
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Hey everybody,
Just thought I would play devil's advocate and post a question that has been in the local media recently:
Someone in the U.S. (I am not sure of the exact details of the case) recently appealed to the courts to allow polygamy in light of the decriminalization of sodomy.
From what I've been reading, the Religious Right have been having a field day because they think it validates their "slippery slope" argument. According to their logic, if marriage is really to be between two "consenting adults", what's to stop it from being between a group of consenting adults (polygamy)? Or two consenting adults who are closely related (incest)?
What are your thoughts on this? Are the conservatives right in their logic, or is it too big a moral jump? Would the approval of gay marriages open the door for socially taboo activities such as polygamy to challenge existing laws?
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okeke onyekachi
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
December 6, 2003 - 11:42 AM
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i have listened nd i see that its all part off us i am not gay but those that are should be given the oportunity to xpres themself.i will be ur friend not of what u are but of ur value to the soceity
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Crystal_Abongta
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Bush said it
December 17, 2003 - 05:42 AM
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"If necessary, I will support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man and a woman, codify that," … W. Bush
Everything being equal, that’s about the most humanitarian statement Bush has made since he became President.
"I think we're all sinners. One of my favorite Bible verses says, 'Why would I take a speck out of your eye when I have a log in my own?' And having said that, however, I do believe in the sanctity of marriage. But I don't see that as conflict with being a tolerant person or an understanding person." … W. Bush
What more would I expect of him if he did only this in his life time as President of the US. May be you take some time and savor his statements at:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/17/bush.gay.marriage/index.html
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Re: Homosexual Marriage
December 23, 2003 - 06:53 AM
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Its amazing in a well meaning group of educated people how sexual predeliction can be such an issue. If we asked the question should marriage between a white person and ablack person be allowed I dont believe their would be any discussion. Marriage is a legal contract between two people. The cry for equality on this issue is to permit couples to express there emotional attachment in public and receive the same rights that are enjoyed by hetrosexuals. Marriage confers certain rights to individuals that are currently prevented between homosexuals. In a modern just society the denigration of a minority because of their sexuality is wrong.
So yes Gay marriage should be allowed and celebrated in just the way hetrosexual marriage is.
The second point is wether this brings forth the possibility of polygamy and not mentioned but infered the potential for polyandry. Again why should this be the thin edge of any wedge. If people are wiling to undertake a relationship of this type and fully understand the potential emotional ramifications then they should be allowed to. Multiple marriages have been a staple part of societal development through the centuries. The general development has been as a means of balancing populations and increasing child rearing. There is no moral justification for preventing this. The issue becoimes one of 'religous' interpritation. The bible thumpers out there will quote scriptures and tell me God says that both homosexuality os wrong and multiple marriages are wrong - on another post I believe gays were refered to as 'nothing more than dog meat' - religous texts are ignored by most people until they have a complaint against one group or person. Sexuality is not something that people decide, peope are gay or straight - arguably god made them that way. Should they then be punished for this? Before we start quoting scriptures at each other lets not forget that forgivness and tolerance are big parts of all religions, and to quote Randy Quaid from Kingpin when talking about sin "Gods against it".
So in summary all the people who on the one hand complain about racism, american superiority, bush - evil etc and then start preaching sexual intolerance "judge not les you be judged" or alternatively the mote and plank thing.
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