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Farhad

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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 23, 2014

Dear Ian,
Nothing is written on your latest quote.
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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 23, 2014


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farhadmiriany wrote:


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:


mullrae wrote:


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Ian,

As I mentioned in another discussion, in general, I am in agreements with you about Capitalism's dangers to human and the planet.

But there are lots of corners and holes to be covered.

Theories shall be explained and how to do solutions shall be provided, otherwise Capitalism will swallow the labor and the working class as it did in the past.
---------------------------------------------only if the workers stay divided social developement can be accurately measured by the social status of the female within society in other words as long as there are inequalities between the genders capitalism will remain it 's in man's interest to argue for equality of the sexesand the abolishment of capitalism freedom for all.
ah the institutions of capital not capitalism I guess they would they have a lot to gain while the majority the workers lose no change there.

Ian,
There is no sufficient documented literature for the working class to rule but Capitalism has documented how to rule the planet. So the working class (whoever they are) shall prepare themselves first by documenting how they plan to rule.
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Farhad</span can you explain where capitalism has documented how to rule the planet .


Of course. few examples;
Globalization and the world village.
Most resolutions of UN security council.
Most resolutions of international organizations.
World bank and international monitory fund procedures.
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the institutions of capital they have everything to gain from procedures and management of capital but capitalism is unmanageable it is a process of booms and slumps where the lot of the worker forever diminishes that's why marx wrote a book on the critique of political economy which is more valid now than ever.



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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 24, 2014

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Dear Ian,
Capitalism is manageable where and when it is needed to harm ordinary people. Look at what happens when Capitalism attempts sanctions and embargoes.

Nowadays, due to a simple (and also complicated) banking sanction, the sick are forbidden to take advantage of modern medical and hospital equipment, supplies and medicine. Capitalism and as witnessed Liberalism (born out of capitalism and perhaps a baby to capitalism) are behind such un-human behavior.

In our culture, when in the field and act of war, we are not allowed to stop the enemy from using the drinking water, we are not allowed to stop the supply of food for the enemy, we are not allowed to use weapons of mass destruction and as I understand all human could obey these rules but let us see what capitalism is doing.

Capitalism makes sanctions, embargoes and uses sophisticated weapons to eliminate not only the enemy but women, youth, old and kids.

And yes, I agree that Capitalism is not manageable when capitalists are to be heard in courts or sentenced for their crimes.
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Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:18 AM by: Farhad


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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 24, 2014


farhadmiriany wrote:

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Dear Ian,
Capitalism is manageable where and when it is needed to harm ordinary people. Look at what happens when Capitalism attempts sanctions and embargoes.

Nowadays, due to a simple (and also complicated) banking sanction, the sick are forbidden to take advantage of modern medical and hospital equipment, supplies and medicine. Capitalism and as witnessed Liberalism (born out of capitalism and perhaps a baby to capitalism) are behind such un-human behavior.

In our culture, when in the field and act of war, we are not allowed to stop the enemy from using the drinking water, we are not allowed to stop the supply of food for the enemy, we are not allowed to use weapons of mass destruction and as I understand all human could obey these rules but let us see what capitalism is doing.

Capitalism makes sanctions, embargoes and uses sophisticated weapons to eliminate not only the enemy but women, youth, old and kids.

And yes, I agree that Capitalism is not manageable when capitalists are to be heard in courts or sentenced for their crimes.
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Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:17 AM by: Farhad

Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:18 AM by: Farhad
I think you get wrong end of stick so to speak people impose sanctions not capitalism and the sanctions are usually carried out by governments on behalf of capitalists.


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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 24, 2014


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

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Dear Ian,
Capitalism is manageable where and when it is needed to harm ordinary people. Look at what happens when Capitalism attempts sanctions and embargoes.

Nowadays, due to a simple (and also complicated) banking sanction, the sick are forbidden to take advantage of modern medical and hospital equipment, supplies and medicine. Capitalism and as witnessed Liberalism (born out of capitalism and perhaps a baby to capitalism) are behind such un-human behavior.

In our culture, when in the field and act of war, we are not allowed to stop the enemy from using the drinking water, we are not allowed to stop the supply of food for the enemy, we are not allowed to use weapons of mass destruction and as I understand all human could obey these rules but let us see what capitalism is doing.

Capitalism makes sanctions, embargoes and uses sophisticated weapons to eliminate not only the enemy but women, youth, old and kids.

And yes, I agree that Capitalism is not manageable when capitalists are to be heard in courts or sentenced for their crimes.
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Farhad

Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:17 AM by: Farhad

Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:18 AM by: Farhad
I think you get wrong end of stick so to speak people impose sanctions not capitalism and the sanctions are usually carried out by governments on behalf of capitalists.


Aren't those governments capitalists?
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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 24, 2014


farhadmiriany wrote:


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

.

Dear Ian,
Capitalism is manageable where and when it is needed to harm ordinary people. Look at what happens when Capitalism attempts sanctions and embargoes.

Nowadays, due to a simple (and also complicated) banking sanction, the sick are forbidden to take advantage of modern medical and hospital equipment, supplies and medicine. Capitalism and as witnessed Liberalism (born out of capitalism and perhaps a baby to capitalism) are behind such un-human behavior.

In our culture, when in the field and act of war, we are not allowed to stop the enemy from using the drinking water, we are not allowed to stop the supply of food for the enemy, we are not allowed to use weapons of mass destruction and as I understand all human could obey these rules but let us see what capitalism is doing.

Capitalism makes sanctions, embargoes and uses sophisticated weapons to eliminate not only the enemy but women, youth, old and kids.

And yes, I agree that Capitalism is not manageable when capitalists are to be heard in courts or sentenced for their crimes.
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Farhad

Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:17 AM by: Farhad

Este aporte fue editado en: 2014-12-24 at 08:18 AM by: Farhad
I think you get wrong end of stick so to speak people impose sanctions not capitalism and the sanctions are usually carried out by governments on behalf of capitalists.


Aren't those governments capitalists?
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well some of them might be but a capitalist is someone who owns the means of production and in most european countries you will find most government officials are workers admittedly better off workers solicitors, barristers, business men and women and career politicians, professional people surveyors , doctors etc that is why the workers manage everything and then give the wealth to the capitalists 85 capitalists own more wealth than 3 billion people the system is radically wrong.


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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 25, 2014

Ian,

Do you mean capitalism is included only of 85 persons?
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Dec 25, 2014


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Ian,

Do you mean capitalism is included only of 85 persons?
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no capitalism is the system of present day money relations approximately 10% of the worlds population are capitalists and of them the richest 85 own more wealth than the poorest 3 billion workers.


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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 26, 2014


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

Ian,

Do you mean capitalism is included only of 85 persons?
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no capitalism is the system of present day money relations approximately 10% of the worlds population are capitalists and of them the richest 85 own more wealth than the poorest 3 billion workers.


Yes. I agree that Capitalism is a system. That's why I constantly am emphasizing at introducing a system for its replacement. Capitalism is enjoying vast amount of money and big powers. It is not easy to replace it but it is possible.

Ian, how do you suppose it could become possible. What could be replaced and get the support of all peoples.
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Dec 26, 2014


farhadmiriany wrote:


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

Ian,

Do you mean capitalism is included only of 85 persons?
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Farhad
no capitalism is the system of present day money relations approximately 10% of the worlds population are capitalists and of them the richest 85 own more wealth than the poorest 3 billion workers.


Yes. I agree that Capitalism is a system. That's why I constantly am emphasizing at introducing a system for its replacement. Capitalism is enjoying vast amount of money and big powers. It is not easy to replace it but it is possible.

Ian, how do you suppose it could become possible. What could be replaced and get the support of all peoples.
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Farhad
a system of free access to all goods produced but goods produced to satisfy peoples needs as opposed to production for profit (today once the market has overproduction and people cannot afford to buy goods production stops but there are still needy people) and you cannot force people into a different system all work has to be entered into voluntarily.we have amazing technology but we dont put it to use because it's not profitable hence the need for a radical change 220million people in the western world are unemployed because capitalism doesn't need them but the world does so until the workers unite nothing will change as I said before it's a long road and one can only try to persuade people there is a better way regards ian.


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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 27, 2014

Dear Ian,
This will be only a 'wish' unless documented and justifiable literature is prepared. Perhaps universities and experts are to provide the written material.

To my understanding Marx explanations for history is the most accurate but what he foreseen and recommended for the future could be discussed. When discussions for the works of such a bright man is needed, then how could workers go through and become united without agreed guidelines?
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farhadmiriany wrote:

Dear Ian,
This will be only a 'wish' unless documented and justifiable literature is prepared. Perhaps universities and experts are to provide the written material.

To my understanding Marx explanations for history is the most accurate but what he foreseen and recommended for the future could be discussed. When discussions for the works of such a bright man is needed, then how could workers go through and become united without agreed guidelines?
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we do it on things like tig everyday no problem the technology is here amongst us.


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Re: Gender Equality
Dec 29, 2014


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

Dear Ian,
This will be only a 'wish' unless documented and justifiable literature is prepared. Perhaps universities and experts are to provide the written material.

To my understanding Marx explanations for history is the most accurate but what he foreseen and recommended for the future could be discussed. When discussions for the works of such a bright man is needed, then how could workers go through and become united without agreed guidelines?
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Farhad
we do it on things like tig everyday no problem the technology is here amongst us.


Ian,
I suppose it would not be enough. Look how many people participate. Participation is low.
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Re: Gender Equality
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farhadmiriany wrote:


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

Dear Ian,
This will be only a 'wish' unless documented and justifiable literature is prepared. Perhaps universities and experts are to provide the written material.

To my understanding Marx explanations for history is the most accurate but what he foreseen and recommended for the future could be discussed. When discussions for the works of such a bright man is needed, then how could workers go through and become united without agreed guidelines?
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Farhad
we do it on things like tig everyday no problem the technology is here amongst us.


Ian,
I suppose it would not be enough. Look how many people participate. Participation is low.
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Farhad
agreed but as I think mao said a journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step and we are definitely beyond the first step how many miles to go is a different matter.


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Re: Gender Equality
Jan 6, 2015


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:


mullrae wrote:


farhadmiriany wrote:

Dear Ian,
This will be only a 'wish' unless documented and justifiable literature is prepared. Perhaps universities and experts are to provide the written material.

To my understanding Marx explanations for history is the most accurate but what he foreseen and recommended for the future could be discussed. When discussions for the works of such a bright man is needed, then how could workers go through and become united without agreed guidelines?
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Farhad
we do it on things like tig everyday no problem the technology is here amongst us.


Ian,
I suppose it would not be enough. Look how many people participate. Participation is low.
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Farhad
agreed but as I think mao said a journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step and we are definitely beyond the first step how many miles to go is a different matter.


I am not sure that we can base our future on Mao' thoughts and principles.

As I see, Capitalism is not even what Adam Smith intended to imagine.

Capitalism might be the 100 senators and lobbies who send them to the senate who do their best to run the whole planet in an apparently and hypocritically democratic platform. Capitalism is the cause of many unfairness's in the planet.

The white police in the North America is not to be blamed, neither the young Americans and Europeans who joined ISIL.

It is the institutionalized Capitalism that has documented and implemented measures and procedures to run the planet on injustice.

Only documented and well organized substitutions and prepared people and organizations may ever be able to replace Capitalism, otherwise Capitalism will continue to exist and what we say here would only be talks.
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