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What's the main cause of conflict today?
August 29, 2009 - 02:15 PM
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Many would say that the main cause of conflict is political partisanship. But I would say that is only one of two main causes, although they are in many cases related.
What is the other main cause often related to political partisanship? It is bigotry and hypocrisy disguised as religiosity and religious zeal.
One example was George W. Bush, who invaded Iraq and persisted in the occupation of Iraq not only because of oil, but also because his "religious" advisors convinced him that his war in Iraq is "God's Will" and fulfills the prophecy of the warring "sixth angel" who "poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates..." (Revelation 16:12) That’s one of the reason’s Bush claimed he was “doing God’ will,” and that has recently been confirmed, because in early 2003, in a top-secret phone call to the president of France, Bush asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a “mission from God.” Bush stated that Iraq must be invaded to thwart “Gog and Magog,” the symbolic evil forces also mentioned in the book of Revelation.
I learned that from the writings of Joseph J. Adamson, who reminds us that real and true spiritual values are based on the very same core universal, eternal truths upon which all religious values are based: Since we reap what we sow, we should treat others as we would want others to treat us if we were them. That is the universal divine imperative, and it is common to all genuine and divinely inspired religions.
That's why Jews are supposed to be taught that we should not do to others what is hurtful to our self. The Muslims are supposed to be taught that no one is a true believer in Allah until he loves for all others what he loves for himself. Buddhists are taught that we should treat others as we treat our self. Hindus are taught that we should not do unto others anything that, which if it were done to us, would cause us pain. The Taoists are taught that we should regard our neighbor's gain as our own gain, and our neighbor's loss as our own loss. And, like Jesus, the founders of all true religions have also said that the search for the Divine and Holy should be not in the world, but within.
These teachings and values are about love, peace, freedom, honesty, humility, tolerance, forgiveness, compassion, charity, and pacifism.
True spiritual teachers like the Christ, the Avatar, the Buddha, the Sage and many others have taught all those core universal spiritual values and virtues.
These things are stated on Adamson's web site at What IS the World Coming To? Seriously.
He also sings Songs of Liberation, under the name of David J. Nunson.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 3, 2009 - 01:29 PM
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Easy my friend, greed, intolerance and hatred.
Whatever the conflict, I think it can be boiled down to those three things.
Simple when viewed like that. Devilishly complicated when it comes to mens' hearts and desires. Their politics may wrap things up in a variety of gaudy paper but underneath when one breaks the peace with another, one of those will be the reason.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 3, 2009 - 05:49 PM
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jodevizes wrote:
Easy my friend, greed, intolerance and hatred.
Whatever the conflict, I think it can be boiled down to those three things.
Simple when viewed like that. Devilishly complicated when it comes to mens' hearts and desires. Their politics may wrap things up in a variety of gaudy paper but underneath when one breaks the peace with another, one of those will be the reason.
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Yes, that's obvious, or should be.
And yes, it's complicated, given the entrenched political and religious ideologies in play.
But, it's really simple when viewed in the big picture, and the truth is self-evident to those with an eye to see.
Would that enough people see.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 3, 2009 - 07:38 PM
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jodevizes wrote:
Easy my friend, greed, intolerance and hatred.
Whatever the conflict, I think it can be boiled down to those three things.
I just wanted to add something about intolerance, because it can be good or bad.
Being intolerant, as in being bigoted and intolerant of another's race or nationality or religion, etc., is bad.
On the other hand, being intolerant of bigotry and hypocrisy is good.
We should be intolerant of bigots and hypocrites, especially those who claim to serve God (by whatever name) when they actually serve their own self-interests and the interests of those who follow and support them.
That is why the work of Joseph J. Adamson is so important now. His message can unite us, empower us, and liberate us from all those who want to rule over us in the name of religion and/or patriotism.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 11, 2009 - 04:07 PM
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Look around you and at the news for the answer mate, who's doing all the religously inspired mass killings and sucicde bombing in the middle east?
Islam, in my opinion, is the main cause of conflict today. Even the so-called 'moderates' here talk about blowing up people.
Here's some perspective of the amount of carnage this religon has produced in Iraq since 2003:
2003: 25 suicide bombings
2004: 140 suicide bombings
2005: 478 suicide bombings
2006: 297 suicide bombings
2007: 442 suicide bombings
2008: 257 suicide bombings
2009: 79 suicide bombings (so far)
This post was edited on: 2009-09-11 at 04:15 PM by: foster88
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 11, 2009 - 07:58 PM
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foster88 wrote:
Look around you and at the news for the answer mate, who's doing all the religously inspired mass killings and sucicde bombing in the middle east?
Islam, in my opinion, is the main cause of conflict today. Even the so-called 'moderates' here talk about blowing up people.This post was edited on: 2009-09-11 at 04:15 PM by: foster88
Yes, it's quite true that the proud, misguided, militant zealots who claim to be Muslims have been and are quite murderous and destructive.
However, there are proud, misguided, militant zealots who claim to be Jews who have been and are quite murderous and destructive as well, in Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, and even in Israel.
In America, proud, misguided, militant zealots who claim to be Christians have bombed and destroyed a federal building in Oklahoma City, and many medical clinics. And one of them, who managed to gain the presidency between 2000 and 2008, ruled a regime that was responsible for the deaths and maimings of many innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He established a policy much like Israel's, that it's permissible to kill up to 30 innocent civilians just to kill one bad guy.
Again, there's nothing so dangerous as a "religious" zealot who's been led to believe he's "doing God's will" in killing his enemies -- or those he judges to be his enemies. And that's true whether the zealot claims to be a Muslim or Jew or Christian.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 14, 2009 - 01:59 PM
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lack of wide-spread pot use
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 14, 2009 - 05:36 PM
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bavskfl46 wrote:
lack of wide-spread pot use
Good one! And that's no joke.
Thake a look at my thread titled Medical and Spiritual Use of Marijuana on the TIG Issue of Health.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 18, 2009 - 08:54 AM
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I'm not implying that all Muslims are bad, but that these attacks are usually inspired by the religion itself.
Today, 25 plus people were killed in a suicide attack in Pakistan.
Just last week, there was a major attack in Iraq as well.
This faith is spiraling way out of control. Too much bloodshed.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 18, 2009 - 03:46 PM
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foster88 wrote:
I'm not implying that all Muslims are bad, but that these attacks are usually inspired by the religion itself. Today, 25 plus people were killed in a suicide attack in Pakistan. Just last week, there was a major attack in Iraq as well. This faith is spiraling way out of control. Too much bloodshed.
Yes, but it is not because of "the religion itself," as you say.
It is because people read into scriptures want they want to see, and proud, militant people pick and choose certain words and phrases from their scriptures to justify themselves. But they IGNORE the basic message of their religion, which is to love one another, and treat all others as you would want to be treated if you were them.
Today there a bigots and hypocrites who claim to be Muslims, but there are also bigots and hypocrites who claim to be Jews or Christians. And they are ALL wrong.
If you want to know the truth, read What IS the World Coming To? Seriously, by Joseph J. Adamson.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 27, 2009 - 01:39 PM
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The root of it has come from the religious justifications people find - however they interpret them - in all the religious texts. Religions need to take out all parts of their texts that speak of violence and any that can be interpreted that way. This will remove the religious and thus moral justifications governments and humans have to treat each other so badly.
Like said earlier George W was happy to attack iraq because someone told him he would be doing gods will. Do you think he would have done it if no religion had ever spoke of violence, talked of a vengful god and out right condoned violence in any way in any situation??
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
September 27, 2009 - 02:13 PM
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jr33 wrote:
The root of it has come from the religious justifications people find - however they interpret them - in all the religious texts. Religions need to take out all parts of their texts that speak of violence and any that can be interpreted that way. This will remove the religious and thus moral justifications governments and humans have to treat each other so badly. Like said earlier George W was happy to attack iraq because someone told him he would be doing gods will. Do you think he would have done it if no religion had ever spoke of violence, talked of a vengful god and out right condoned violence in any way in any situation??
Yes, that's right. And you may be interested to know that Thomas Jefferson, one of America's founding fathers and early presidents, did exactly that and edited the New Testament accordingly. Joseph J. Adamson points that out in his article on Little Known American History. And Adamson advocates a new reformation to correct Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
October 8, 2009 - 04:28 PM
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
October 9, 2009 - 05:50 AM
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marrisa, i totally agree with your words. The problem is not the religion the problem is the people who use religion for thier evil aims and imbitions.
The one and only way to end this conflict is to stop killing and come to a "sit and discuss" and "sit and discuss" will come only if these (proud, misguided, militant zealots) change thier minds.
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Re: What's the main cause of conflict today?
October 9, 2009 - 10:05 AM
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As I said before, Islam is the main cause of conflict today, if extremist teachings were not taught by Muhammad then his followers would have no basis to committ heinous acts.
Today, 40 plus people killed in another terror attack in Pakistan.
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