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Simon Charles
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Religion and War...inseperable?
January 10, 2002 - 11:52 AM
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I have noticed that some of the posters here have insinuated their distate for religion. They mentioned it as being the means by which people are decieved. I would have to agree that many times in history religion has played an important role in the decieving of the masses and also in unifying people to false causes. However, I do believe that most of this happens in the areas where people are not educated...such as the remote areas of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other countries where Osama found support for his war against the US. In this case, this is not justified as Islam is a religion of peace, as many of my Muslim friends have told me. What I would like to hear is whether people think that religion and war can ever be seperated and also, on a side note, whether Islam can ever be a religion of peace? Or is a final confrontation between Christianity and Islam inevitable?
I realise that this topic could make for some dangerous stuff being said from both sides, so let's try to keep it calm...
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Re: Religion and War...inseperable?
January 10, 2002 - 02:11 AM
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well, wheather islam can be a religion of peace..... its quite wrong to say something like that.
coz then you ll be like, say, stereotyping all the muslims.
i mean, islam is a religion of peace, and as far as the people are concerned, people are molded more with their background, the way they have been living, their culture, etc. more than religion.
so, actually, i would quite agree with you that, maybe, most of the terrorist activities in thw world are due to islamic fundamentalism (plzz its not just between christians and muslims, plzz give a damn to all the hindus, jews, hebrews, parsis, jains, buddhists, etc.etc. we also exist.)
but then, these terrorists are actually out of the society. i mean, i dont think, islam preaches, plzz be militants and you will get a sure shot seat in heaven.
its actually a mis interpretation done by the society.
the issue is not wheather we are going see a paceful version of islam. islam is a religion of peace.
the issue is, are we ever going to make some societies in this world of ours, responsible enough to undestand that what they are doing in the name of islam is actually giving a bad name to islam itself. and that if at all you have a cause to fight for, there are better ways than jehad.
and infact you came up with a solution, educate them. but this education doesnt mean going to a madrassa, where all the hatered for the rest of the world is stuffed into the minds of small small children.
if there are going to be schools teaching fundamentalism as a specialisation subject, we arent going to have a shortage of osamas.
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Ha Thi Lan Anh
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Re: Religion and War...inseperable?
January 10, 2002 - 12:14 PM
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Sano wrote : whether Islam can ever be a religion of peace? Or is a final confrontation between Christianity and Islam inevitable?
Well.. i think the question is not whether Islam can ever be a religion of peace? becuz i think it already has been a religion of peace..
Or is a final confrontation between Christianity and Islam inevitable?
my personal experience : my best friend is a half Muslim,my arabic teacher is a Muslim,my teacher is a Christian, my grandparents are buddists.. they can always get along together sooo well... I mean i think that this is not a confrontation between Christianity and Islam but just a confrontation between inviduals who considered themselves Muslim or Christian...
i think for all the messy stuff happening in the world its not religion conflicts that cause them but social and economic injustice
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islam, baghdad, and arthur c. clarke.
January 11, 2002 - 10:00 AM
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Islam is a religion of peace. As is all of the mainstream religions. But its mode of keeping its believers peaceful is that the believers keep the faith.
When followers get jaded from those who dont believe in the faith - we all know what happens.
Interesting note here - Baghdad was once the greatest city on Earth. Most of the great discoveries of Math, Astronomy, and Physics were discovered here before the famous counterparts in Europe. Its beauty matched its culture and was the center of the Eastern world for a long time.
Now look at it.
On the topic of Christianity and Islam facing off at each other - a different view - im not sure if i hold it myself yet - was presented in 'Hammer of God' by Arthur C. Clarke.
He merged the two religions (called the result - Chrislam) and noted that the two werent different at all. They only stemmed from different cultures and took different paths in their development in 'ancient' history. (remember this is science fiction - so anything ancient is more than 10 years old)
Alas, he made the book interesting by causing Chrislam to be hijacked by a Corporate prodigy, but then - for a while it was all good!
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........a little understanding??
January 14, 2002 - 06:47 AM
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a year ago, i naively thought part of religion was the acceptance of other religions.
i am still not all the knowledgable on this topic...but i still cannot see, how people can't just agree to dissagree. i mean who cares if [eg] i believe in God but the person beside me prays to Allah and the one beside that (to exagerate) Satan?
people need to GET OVER IT (to be blunt) and start understanding.
okay so maybe i'm just using this thread to vent my anger but dammit nobody else in this place cares!!!
[by 'this place' i mean Toowoomba, QLD, Australia...not TIG. TIG is great!]
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A few things.
January 15, 2002 - 02:20 AM
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Obviously no-one seemed impressed by my knowledge of Arthur C. Clarke novels 
I dont think agreeing to disagree on the topic of religion will ever work.
The conflict between Palestine and Israel is both moulded by the want for real estate - allegedly entitled to them by the acts of the founders of their religions, and their ancestors and by the zealous nature of the two sides.
Its the 'you burnt down my villiage, so i burned down yours' mentality.
It wouldnt be fair if someone lost all their villiages scott free. But then, is it really worth having both sides lose all of their villiages?
What we need isnt understanding, its tolerance. And a little bit of luck.
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