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Haseeb
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Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
October 5, 2003 - 03:39 AM
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Yet another Shock and yet another moment of sorrow when I saw the pictures from HAifa on CNN and BBC.
A girl of only 19 (if I am not wronge) , took her own life and the lives of 20 more innocent and civil humans.
Even though it has been happening for long now an non-stop for a period , there have been many incidents of such ignorence/ diperation , I am yet to find out what is behind all this?
What is that forces a human being or that allowes a human being to give his life and kill 20 more with him/her.
Based on my own expereince , from what has been happening in Afghanistan , I would say its the result of brain wash by some individuals and instituations in the name of religion, dignity and tradition, that closes every other door on you and pushes you towards doing such an inhuman action.
But I would like you to share your point on this , and answer the following guestions:
Is it because of the limite of disperatio?
Is it because of the brain wash ?
Or there is any other element behind all this suicide bombings?
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
October 5, 2003 - 01:32 AM
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blind fellowship to a totalitarian idea, well meant or not.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
October 6, 2003 - 07:30 AM
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A person doesnt really have to be brainwashed in order for him/her to commit such a horrendous crime.
One only needs to know what right from wrong is. A lot of suicide bombers must think that what theyre doing is right, otherwise the mere thought of perpetrating an act that is thought unjust in the eyes of the 'judge' makes it all the more difficult. The questions that follow are 'who is the judge' and 'does the perpetrator really give full control of the mind to be brainwashed by his/her master/s.'
Once again we are faced by the undying question of absolutism. What is right from wrong? Does this concept of 'right' apply to the people that see things from a different perspective? Does bloodshed mean a loss of life or a birth of hope for these men and women? Do people of all races, beliefs, creed, sexes, and nationalities share the same set of values?
These are open-ended questions that do not have exclusively correct answers. However, we must continue to search for a common ground within these answers because hope may faulter but the sun shall always rise for a new day.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
October 10, 2003 - 12:40 PM
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It isn't necesarily brainwaishing, it's believeing. To us outsiders it doesn't make sense why a person would do such things, to them it makes perfect sense. When I look deeper into the middle eastern conflict all I do is get more and more confused, in my opinion no one has a reason to do what they do.
If only outsiders were able to make them understand that killing is not a way to solve the conflict
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
October 19, 2003 - 03:50 AM
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To some extent it is a brainwashing thing, but then there needs to be a lot of input from the person themselves. You can't just have some terrorist walk up to a civilian, tell them they need to killthemselves for Allah and expect them to do it. They have to believe that what they are doing is right.
Also, I don't think that that girl's own life was really of the slightest recognition, either to her, or to the terrorists she worked for. As far as she believed her life was given to her simply for the purpose of using it to kill 20 Americans or whoever.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
February 10, 2004 - 01:11 AM
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Its simple:
Every person has needs and also expectations in life.
As they are never met, we get a bit unhappy, if this goes on and on we get depressed, after that we r starting to think up a scape goat, usualy ourselves, but as we r open for outside pressure, we can be persuaded that for our problems r others responsible. etc etc ...
Solution can be very few, one of them is progress, after peace is achieved.
Other is 100 % employment, that people are busy.
Last but not least it is the training for learning ways of living everywhere else. (educating)
Ave Futuria
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
February 10, 2004 - 10:30 AM
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It's fascinating - and more than a little scary - how many of the individuals committing such acts are young well-educated people. They are usually used as the front line soldiers in any type of social revolution.
I was just reading an article (http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0210/p01s02-woam.html) about how guerillas in Colombia have been recruiting young university students to undertake violent acts.
What will it take to equip youth with tools for social change without violence?
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
February 27, 2004 - 01:47 AM
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That would be a technical solution.
I wonder what are so called moderate moslims doing?
I mean Sunnites, coz Shiites are not involved in Jihad nowadays.
If everybody was going to madrassas, they would fall apart of crowdedness.
I presume Shiites will be the one, which are first going to strenghten up already good ties with the "West" Most of the Shia clerics arent really up to such big invilvment in politics, but they certainly know how to protect their vital interests. (IRAQ). And as we look at the population in Gulf (Arab Gulf), it looks like whole of gulf is surrounded with Shia population. (yes Shia exists in Saudi Arabia). This does not means good or particulary bad news.
Just makes them popular for having good relation.
Too bad that such folks as Americans are, are talking to them in the name of all in the West. You know Americans (yawn). They lack somehing what we call "soft touch" and even more, their pragmatic level is 0. I dont know if it was any different if Al Gore was to be elected. Maybe there wuoldnt be Iraq war .. But Saddam would be still staging military parades in Baghdad.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
February 27, 2004 - 08:57 AM
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Well I've just come back from another forum where for three months we had been completely disecting the Palestine/ Israël issue. From every angel including antipaganda en propaganda.
Right now with the, by Syria requested, international court case, we receive a barrage of those -paganda postings and lots of hatemail. If people who never in their lives met a Palestinian can allready get completely heated up, and skirmish over semantics as if it where religion, than energy drains.
Leave well enough alone and I for one think a wall will open Jordan again and a possibility for a different society that doesn't consider itself the vanquard of an Arab conquest, but a nation in it's own right.
Turkey is also following it's enigmatic course as do other nations.
And there is a bigger issue:11.5 million people face starvation in Africa. 6.5 in sub saharan parts, and not enough funding for water.
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February 27, 2004 - 10:17 AM
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A lot of sympathie is generalised by the notion of people pushed to their limit or thoroughly desperate.
But what makes people walk around militairy personal and explode themselves in the middle of a group of pregnant woman and small kids.
Some youngster who aborted his attack said that they(the ones that recruted him, for he wanted to do something)told him that he wouldn't feel a thing and would instantly go to paradise. While watching the people who were like him, he simply couldn't do it.It seems more recommendable to kill woman and children. The boy was willing to do something but to take your own life and that of others takes real desperation.
The controversial case was about the mother of two kids who alledgedly had committed adultery, and in order to atone herself for Allah had to go explode herself. When the moment came she distanced herself a little, sank down sobbing and exploded herself.
the P.A. statute states that.. the fight will go on even if all Palestinians die.(a bit Hitlerian, who also statet a sentiment like that)
A palestinian psychologist said that right now they are making heroes of the "martyrs" and promote this to kids. The main group of 6-11 years old now dream of becoming a suicide bomber (instead of doctor or engineer)
in a way it's indoctrinating people in that their identity is sugjugated to the case, but the case i.e. Palestina is subjugated to Allah and the moslimkaliphat. So the ordinary honourable thing like status as a person and nationality are nil and void.Both reasons to improve your life and to look forward as being a part of.
It is horrible and dehumanizing when the only way out is killing yourself.
And the other reason is simply that it is the most effective way to scare people and instill terror in them, and distrust palestinians forever.
So all the peacetalk of Arafat, even if it came to be can probably not undo the damage of distrust created here.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
February 27, 2004 - 10:49 AM
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I think it a part of upbringing, what has been fed into your brain right from the start.
I personally feel that to stop all the global terrorism one solution would be to shut down all the madrassas.(muslim schools, not actually schools, coz they dont teach anything) I mean, i havent heard of a madrassa where they teach anything other than the koran and how the world is targetting muslims.
It makes them more ignorant than enlightened.
Ban madrassas and more than majority of the brainwashing is over.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
March 8, 2004 - 02:34 AM
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Yeah, my mentor Stan Lee wrote, when he created Daredevil comic character - "A man without hope is a man without fear."
That has something to do with it - partly it is a cultural value where "heroic" death is a higher goal than a productive life.
I think it is interesting that the heads of these organizations are often quite wealthy - just look a Arafat - and totally unwilling to die themselves - but they have no problem sending young people to snuff it.
They take kids who are searching for identity and belonging, they take frustraited kids who have suffered - and they pervert the frustraition in to hatred.
One of the essential aspects of brainwashing is the dehuminization of the enemy - to a Palestinian suicide bomber - Israelis aren't "people" they are animals. It is what the Nazis really figured out - define the enemy as inhuman.
The second step is to convince the bomber that they are a hero, play to their self esteem and manipulate their confusion.
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Re: Whats that makes a human being take lose his life and take the lives of many others with him/her???
March 8, 2004 - 11:24 AM
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When you give up hope, death is easy.... When an entire culture gives up hope, it may be inevitable. See http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0305/p01s04-wome.html
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