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Liam O'Doherty
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Election Dispute in Iran
June 16, 2009 - 05:24 PM
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The recent election in Iran has resulted in a dispute over the results. Clashes between supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi and President Ahmadinejad have been reported on by citizen journalists experiencing the events first hand and demonstrations of solidarity are occuring around the world.
What do you think about this situation?
Here is some further information and media, please share others:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html
https://balatarin.com/links/recent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 17, 2009 - 10:39 AM
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This is not a clash between Supporter of Mousavi and Supporter of Ahmadi nejad. This a clash between supporter of Mousavi and hardliner militia supporting Ahmadi nejad and wants to keep him as President even by force.
Police also is behind the militia informally. Within last few days some people were killed by militia and many wounded. Mousavi is a moderate candidate and backed by many Iranian who are get tired of chalenges that Ahmadi nejad made locally and internationaly during last 4 years. Supporters of Mousavi allegated the government for a huge fraud on the result of election and this claim is not far from truth.
This post was edited on: 2009-06-17 at 02:49 PM by: ZXA42
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 17, 2009 - 11:35 AM
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And what is the position of Ali Khamenei in all of this?
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 17, 2009 - 02:48 PM
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khamenei is head of hardliners in Iran
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 17, 2009 - 06:10 PM
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There is no question the election was stolen - 80% of the people do not suddenly show up to vote unless they want change -
and if you look into the particulars of the voting itself 40 million votes counted by hand in a few hours? Ahmadinejad winning Musavi strong holds by 2 to 1?
Bush stole 100 votes in Florida, Ahmadinejad fabricated a landslide
I think this has gone beyond supporting Musavi - this is fundamentally about respect - the government deeply disrepected the people. The fraud was so blatant it was insulting to the peoples intelligence.
Also, as the Iranians use draconian measures to stop media from reporting the brutal crackdown on the people - the evolution of communication technology is making that difficult to do.
Anywhooo - Ahmadinejad recently called the hundreds of thousands of protesters insignificant dirt - right before he called wester leader filthy homosexuals... isnt he charming?
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 23, 2009 - 04:21 AM
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We just "want our votes back" & what we get is people getting killed every day in the streets.
obviously there has been fraud if there hasn't so why wouldn't they accept to hold another election?
I think " it was not an election but a selection"
Ahmadinejad stands to defend Palestine but right now the real Zion is him not Israel.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 25, 2009 - 11:42 AM
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I am happy to hear some comments and opinions from Iran. I am curious to what impact you believe the future president can have on the power balance of the elected institutions (electorate, parliament, president, etc) and unelected institutions (supreme leader, expediency council, etc).
What are your thoughts.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 27, 2009 - 03:23 AM
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I can tell that if Ahmadinejad is staying as the president for the next 4 years He's not going to do much good for us and he's going to get much things from us like the last 4 years.
as for the parliament he said he's going to keep his old cabinet who are all his relatives.
And the supreme leader is defending him but we have no idea what happens next. We can't see behind the scenes.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 27, 2009 - 03:44 AM
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aqasi037 wrote:
I am happy to hear some comments and opinions from Iran. I am curious to what impact you believe the future president can have on the power balance of the elected institutions (electorate, parliament, president, etc) and unelected institutions (supreme leader, expediency council, etc).
What are your thoughts.
From now on all are unelected institutions!
There will be no more election in Iran becasue the people are deeply disappointed and will not attend in any more fake election(Selection!) in future.
This post was edited on: 2009-06-27 at 03:49 AM by: ZXA42
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
June 27, 2009 - 04:53 AM
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I think you're right.
People don't trust them anymore.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
July 3, 2009 - 05:31 PM
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Lets see, I had to step in and defend Ahmad Najadi, elections happened, people lost, others won, it's life, that happens, but those who lost couldn't handle it because weirdly enough they were way too sure they were going to win, so hundreds or lets say thousands of them get to the streets make the people think again that Ahmad Najad is a Nazi, and what would they lose, 10, 20, 100 person, it's nothing compared to what would they get, Ahmad Najad made mistakes, I can't say he didn't, he is a human being after all, but he did bring Iran to the next level, he taught people which is shown in the average of IQ of Iran, and also shown inn all the break throws Iran made in science, he managed to keep Iran in a good shape when the economic of the world went crashing, as he did other great things as well, so I think the whole thing was fair, people chose him, and if you saw the ones that didn't choose him that doesn't mean that there is no one that did.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
July 3, 2009 - 07:48 PM
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Ok, I`m trying to be open-minded and take no sides here. Ahmadinejad could have won in a fair election, and Mousavi could be a bad loser, inciting his voters to riot...but it could also be the other way around.
The elections are the main issue here. Does anybody knows what is Mousavi alleging? Is it true? Can he prove it? How did he knew?
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
July 4, 2009 - 01:20 AM
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Mousavi is claiming that the votes in the boxes are more than the number of people that voted, and part of it is true, but not as big as he says it is, he didn't say how he knew or at least that's what I know, and I don't think he could really prove it because he have no access for the votes and unless he was carrying a camera around or have a documented resource of the people who voted twice or more, all of his talking is in vain.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
July 5, 2009 - 07:06 AM
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As a citizen of Iran I know much more about Ahmadinejad much more than you do.
You can't defend or judge some one you don't know.
If Iranians have achieved something as you said about IQ it's their own efforts not Ahmadinejad's.
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Re: Election Dispute in Iran
July 5, 2009 - 07:13 AM
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Mousavi's talking is not in vain but it's the truth.
Why would you defend this kind of government which instead of listening to people... no just hearing them is terminating them with cruelty?
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