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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 11, 2009 - 12:21 PM
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abbarighton wrote:
JamesAn wrote:
abbarighton wrote:
The phenomena has even been written about in scientific terms, as has been pointed out by Joseph J. Adamson in his article titled The Highest State of Consicousness.
That's not scientific writing. Adamson quotes a handful of celebrity scientists, but the quotations are in the context of admiring the beauty of nature and the mystery of psychology, not proof of God. And even if the scientists believed in God, it's still a belief, albeit one from a famous person.
You ignore that Adamson cites the book, The Highest State of Consciousness, edited by John White,which contains articles by many scientists who explain the Cosmic Consciousness experience in scientific terms.
You also ignored or didn't read that Adamson explains that God is not what most people have been led to believe. He says God is the Divine Light-Energy-Source of our existence, the Essence of all life and form, from the smallest nano-particle to the Universe itself. "God" is the Supreme Universal Consciousness, the eternal, primordial "Word" that is made flesh in all of us.
Sorry but just because this Adamson says god is the divine light energy source doesn't mean that it is the absolute truth, just one mans perception that certain other people want to subscribe to as well.
Like beauty, god is in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 12, 2009 - 04:03 PM
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jodevizes wrote: Sorry but just because this Adamson says god is the divine light energy source doesn't mean that it is the absolute truth, just one mans perception that certain other people want to subscribe to as well. Like beauty, god is in the eye of the beholder.
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Yes, truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
That's the point.
The trouble is, only when our eye is single shall our body be full of the Light of God. That's what Jesus of Nazareth said, and that's what Adamson says as well.
Many who boast of religiosity have a beam in their own eye, and yet complain of those who have a mote in their eye.
That's why spiritualy blind leaders lead their blind flocks into conflict and even war.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 12, 2009 - 04:27 PM
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JamesAn wrote:I'm simply putting the question out there: how do we decide what is factual truth and what is myth as most sacred texts make no such distinction?
As the great genius Albert Einstein said, religion and science are compatible. And he was a Deist, like most of the founding fathers of the U.S.A. were, and like Joseph J. Adamson is.
Deism is is the belief in the existence of God on the evidence of reason and nature, with rejection of superstition and myth.
Deists understand the Golden Rule, which is the Universal Divine Imperative: that we should treat others as we would want to be treated if we were them. That has always been and always will be the essential, main rule and best advice, not only because it's the right thing to do, but also because we "reap what we sow" due to the karmic consequences of our words and actions.
That universal truth is foremost among the core teachings of most religions. Thus Jews are supposed to be taught that we should not do to others what is hurtful to our self. The Muslims are supposed to be taught that no one is a true believer in Allah until he loves for all others what he loves for himself. Buddhists are taught that we should treat others as we treat our self. Hindus are taught that we should not do unto others anything that, which if it were done to us, would cause us pain. The Taoists are taught that we should regard our neighbor's gain as our own gain, and our neighbor's loss as our own loss. And, like Jesus, the founders of all true religions have also said that the search for the Divine and Holy should be not in the world, but within.
We can discern what myths are by recognizing what is true and self-evident, as opposed to what is the stuff of fables, or the stuff of patriarchal dictators.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 12, 2009 - 08:05 PM
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It seems that when it comes right down to the fine points, Deists believe that morality comes from a divine set of rules. Atheists see morality as rules that come out of social origins as a species. The Bill O'Reilly/Richard Dawkins debate on Fox this week illustrated the divide.
We have observed empathy is many animal species, not just ours. Dolphins show it to other dolphins as well as humans. Chimpanzees and gorillas have acted as surrogate parents to puppies and kittens. Elephants demonstrate similar behaviors. Morality and empathy have a lot in common. The evidence is very compelling.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 13, 2009 - 04:47 PM
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lenrosen4 wrote:
It seems that when it comes right down to the fine points, Deists believe that morality comes from a divine set of rules. Atheists see morality as rules that come out of social origins as a species. The Bill O'Reilly/Richard Dawkins debate on Fox this week illustrated the divide.
We have observed empathy is many animal species, not just ours. Dolphins show it to other dolphins as well as humans. Chimpanzees and gorillas have acted as surrogate parents to puppies and kittens. Elephants demonstrate similar behaviors. Morality and empathy have a lot in common. The evidence is very compelling.
I am in agreement with most of that statement, particularly with the second paragraph.
However, I do not agree that "Deists believe that morality comes from a divine set of rules."
As I understand it, Deists believe that religious rules were established by human beings who were not divine but claimed to speak for the Divine. And Deists do not accept that some religious rule-makers were actually divinely inspired in certain instances.
For example, Moses got some things right but did not refrain from adding personal, patriarchal opinion and misguided judgment. And some of the rules written in the books of Moses are considered downright ludicrous today, such as killing anyone who does not obey the Sabbath.
Deists believe that morality comes from obeying the Universal Divine Imperative: Treat all others as you would want to be treated if you were them. That just happens to be the Golden Rule that is common to all religions.
Read What Are True Spiritual Values? by Joseph J. Adamson.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 17, 2009 - 09:36 PM
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abbarighton wrote:
As the great genius Albert Einstein said, religion and science are compatible. And he was a Deist, like most of the founding fathers of the U.S.A. were, and like Joseph J. Adamson is.
Einstein's actual words:
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being. (Albert Einstein, 1936) Responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann
A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. (Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms. (Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) Following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding Do you believe in God? Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 18, 2009 - 08:48 PM
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Hi Marissa,
Religion divines its laws from its spiritual leadership. That leadership in the case of Judaism begins with commandments received on a mountain top by a political leader. The foundation of the religion came from these "divinely" inspired set of rules.
The reality of the origin of these rules is of course far different from the myth of their origin. But nonetheless whether it comes from Paul's vision on the road to Damascus, or Mohammed's visionary dream visits by the angel Gabriel, religion always equates divine rules with its moral code.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
October 30, 2009 - 03:19 PM
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Well! Morality is the manifestation of Real Love. Why use spiritual and religious jargons and confuse ourselves?
And James shall we resume? i am happy Len is back.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
November 4, 2009 - 12:18 AM
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Hi,
I believe in what some people call
the old storys
the 3 gift from Creation
Humans who know Right from Wrong
Know how to DREAM
and can Build anything they Dream
it they so choose
FreeWill
From the Voice that does not speak
that never leaves you
Some say my relegion is History
Because I belive that our Consciense
is our link to the Voice of the Divine
The History of Human no longer told
We who are the Keepers of the flow of Life.
The Legend of HERO's
its Free to read
it is a Bedtime Story about a young man on his journey to manhood to save the world he loves, in its Darkest Hour
http://www.dragonlorechronicles.blogspot.com/
Sweet Dream
and enjoy
IF not just ignore this
To the Future
In the Hebrew old tounge
it was called
Hutzpa Lev
Wisdom of the Heart
Love E
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
November 4, 2009 - 09:04 AM
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I have been doing research for a book I'm writing called 21st Century Tech. My current research is into the future of computing and that has led me to look at DNA, the construction crane of evolution on this planet. Why you may ask am I thinking about DNA when I'm talking about computers. Because using DNA for computing has become a field of research and the results are startling. A pound of the stuff of life can hold all of the information and computing power of all of the computers man has ever constructed.
I have often wondered if DNA and its baby sister RNA are universally established throughout the Universe of the Big Bang. We certainly know that the building blocks, the nucleotides adenosine, guanine, thiamine and cytosine and their precursors are the organic stuff that lies between the stars in our galaxy and other galaxies. When we study space with the various instruments that can sniff out the chemistry it is astonishing just how much of these essential elementaryy molecules are lying about. These are the building blocks that the DNA and RNA molecules capture in their replicative processes.
So the most basic tool of evolutionary science, the two molecules, DNA and RNA, have resources at hand throughout our Universe for the purpose of organizing and replicating.
Why am I sharing this with you? Because a prerequisite to the creation of biological computing involves DNA. DNA creates computing power that dwarfs any of our current silicon based technology. DNA computers can survive without a power cord, in a liquid or gaseous medium in which the nucleotides for self replication float about just waiting to join the molecular ladder, split and replicate. DNA computers can evolve. DNA computers use logic gates that are not limited to the values of 0 and 1, but can determine a solution using the same fuzzy logic that we humans practice in our neural networks.
With the development of DNA computing we are watching the creation of artificial intelligence and cyber-life. This new cyber-life can evolve. Does that mean the ultimate expression of our species is the creation of a new cyber-species that will unlock all kinds of new possibilities, some beautiful and some potentially terrifying?
If you want to follow what I'm writing on this subject, please feel free to visit my blog at http://lenrosen4.wordpress.com/.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
November 4, 2009 - 10:36 AM
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Thank you for your post
I would love to visit the blog
I confess my understanding of the DNA
is on a none computer plan
It is in the telling of those old storys that no one tells anymore
The consept,
Circles within Circles within Cirles
Life with in Life within Life
it is not just some ancient incantation
It was the building block of understanding.
Everything is made of Star Dust
is another old wives tail, no longer told
but I beleive that your plan of understanding is fasniating,
I am inspired to read your blog
But I do not understant how to find it
Where do I put the address you sent
I have only taken 1 library compt class
so far, thou I am signed up for the rest
finding address is a little ahead of my understanding of computer
But your understanding of them
Has me inspired to learn more of what you have to say
Also
I am posting this threw Email
so I do not know is this writen to everyone or are you addressing me
I am unawere it seems of the social working of a Board
Wonderful post
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
November 5, 2009 - 01:20 PM
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Hello I found the site
It was fasinating
I am inspired to read more on the subject
Are people using DNA to understand the Design of Life?
and put it into play to make the next living compt?
it would be intersting,
But it is my understanding that those
people, here I speak of scientists
who are in prusute of the
Design of Life
are no longer fighting Church forses to stop their research
But are now being stopped by funding cuts
Threw the Smithonian Inst
It is my understanding
limited as it is
that they are calling them Creationism
and lumping them in with Bible teachers
which is to me very funny
Because history, and herstory shows that it has been those groups who had been the ones to call the Design of life
a Herasy
and not exceptable
now it seems to be unexceptable
for the opposite reasons
But I can not help but think it is becuase those who are the belief
That their Conscience is their Direct link to the voice of the Divine
No need to follow the word of man
Humans who KNOW
RIGHT FROM WRONG
KNOW HOW TO DREAM
AND CAN BUILD WHAT THEY DREAM
IT THEY SO CHOOSE
FREE WILL
BUT OF COURSE THAT DOES NOT GENERATE
MONEY OR POWER FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO DOMINATE THE WORLD
ALTIMATE ATHURITY
BECAUSE WE AS HUMANS
NEED NO INTERSER
EACH HOLDING A CONCSCIENSE
THE VOICE THAT NEVER LEAVES
WHEN EACH HUMAN IS BORN TO THIS WORLD
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
November 12, 2009 - 11:45 AM
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The problem is that there are many ideas and concepts of God, but very few are accurate. Why? Because God is nearly impossible to describe.
Precious few people throughout history have actually realized the true nature of God. And they've done so through what is called the "opening of the seven seals of revelation," or, in yogic terms, the "opening of the seven chakras."
But how do you describe that which you cannot see, but only feel, sense, and recognize and "know" in your mind?
Many people have ascribed human attributes to God, such as in the Christian gospels which refer to God as "our father in heaven." However, even Moses wrote that "God is not a man, nor a son of man." The Judaic Kabbalah and Qabalah reveals that God is formless, and that was confirmed by Jesus, who said to his disciples: "You have not seen God's shape at any time."
That is why I point out the work of Joseph J. Adamson, who I think has provided the best explanation of what God actually is -- the Divine Light-Energy-Source of our existence; the Supreme Universal Consciousness; the Great Spirit-Parent; and the primordial "Word" that is made flesh in all of us.
Adamson's article, The Word of God, is a good, brief explanation from one who knows.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
November 17, 2009 - 07:42 PM
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I'm currently reading Richard Milner's Encyclopedia of Evolution. This is a great reference A-Z on the subject, dealing both with creationist arguments as well as natural selection. I'm very much enjoying learning the history behind all of these many arguments and ideas. I highly recommend this book to those of you who are unfamiliar with it.
I have endeavored to start a new project on a blog that I call 21st century tech. I would invite all of you to visit. I think you may find the topics of interest. I am exploring where technology will take us in the 21st century covering the fields of computing, artificial intelligence, robotics, space, energy, health and the environment. I invite you to comment on each of the blogs. My intention is to turn this into a book including commentaries and my responses. So please feel free to enter the discussion. The site is http://lenrosen4.wordpress.com/.
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November 23, 2009 - 07:10 AM
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This is a great site
Being new to the net, and the 21cen tech I am so excited to see that the power of the mind, has once again in the Human Race been unlocked.
I have always enjoyed reading from the past, to see where we have been, and now as the time of Change has come, wether Humans were aware of it or not, by adding to its problems, have come to the understanding we do not travel back in time, but go Forward to the Future
Where this New Tech will be the Saving Grace we need.
All that Human ingenuity
intreging young minds to expand the possibilitys of discover
and with it Discover a way to clean the air quickly
the water
the soil
to come to the understanding that
we as a Human Race are not infalable
we are Human,
And are now coming to a Time
when as a Race of Man can move forward without the Power of Dogma to control us
Each Heart linked to the Divine sourse of their own understanding
Just like each person has their own fingerprint
Each person will leave their mark on this world
To the Future
Love
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