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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Jun 10, 2012
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Hi Len
My apologies for my generalization on atheists from limited observations.
I was lucky to have been brought up in a home where religion was more about morals, ethics and
compassion than traditions.
Experiences with many "know it all" fundamentalist Christians has made me a heretic.
But like you said, the need for an alpha is in our genes. I like to think if our alpha is big enough
it could be unifying rather than divisive.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Jun 11, 2012
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I too was reared in a home where morals, ethics and values were universal and, from my parents'
viewpoints, derived from their religious beliefs. My home library and my community library were open
to me and I absorbed thousands of ideas from the books I read as a child, young adult and adult. At
age 63 I haven't lost my passion for learning and discovering. I "blame" my parents for making me so
curious about the world around me and for exposing me to an immense number of ideas and views.
What so profoundly disappoints me about so many of faith is the dogmatic earnestness in a particular
belief or moral stand, usually built on the interpretation of a select piece of scripture. That
scripture usually reflects a culture long dead with values that have no bearing on the world we see
around us.
When monotheistic desert faiths came into being their perspective of the world was limited to tribe,
culture, region and province. For faith to succeed over the long term, however, it meant dropping
those cultural interpretations that no longer reflected the world in which the followers of the
faith lived.
For Christianity to succeed and sell itself its leadership was willing to absorb cultural traditions
whenever necessary to get a "buy in" for the faith. Islam's approach to "spreading the faith" was
patterned after Christianity. This religious syncretism ensured that both faiths developed a
significant following and remains the key to their strong influence to this day.
Unfortunately not all "beliefs" and "dogmas" evolved to meet modernity and hence so much of
organized religion remains mired in cultural "norms" that are not a reflection of a wider
understanding of humanity, our nature and our diversity. Nor have religions moved beyond an
anthropocentric view of our world and its place in the cosmos.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Aug 10, 2012
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Was life on Earth an alien creation?
Life may have been the result of intelligent aliens sending bacterium to Earth. This theory is
called “directed panspermia”. It was proposed thirty-five years ago by Francis Crick,
co-discoverer of DNA, and Leslie Orgel, a highly respected British chemist.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Sep 8, 2012
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I don't see why evolution and God, no matter what religion, can't coexist. The inevitable fact is
that evolution has been proved. But our minds still can't grasp the enormity of our universe and the
boundaries of time. Things happened, were instigated before evolution, and the origins of the
beginning of time, if there is such a thing, is yet to be proved- leaving room still for a belief in
Gods connection to what is unknown and inexplicable to us.
As our world is modernizing, it is time to stop being ignorant about solid facts. However, it is
still important to maintain culture and beliefs. Religion gives people courage to face life and the
inevitable fate we all face- death. If this is how people deal with things, and for all we know,
they're right, I don't see any problem with believing what you want to believe. But I do have a
problem with ignorance and stubbornness to see things from different, new views. Without doing this,
our world will never progress.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Sep 16, 2012
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Ah, yes. The "god of the gaps": if we don't know the answer to some scientific question, let's plug
the gap with "god dunnit." No, I think we should rather be patient and wait until some scientist
comes up with a more plausible scientific answer to that question. Is religion at least a good
"crutch" to help people with their fear of death and their problems on Earth? Maybe. But I think
every problem on Earth is better solved by rational thought and discussion instead of appealing to a
supernatural being in the sky. The fear of death? Well, just try to imagine how you felt before you
were born, before you were a fetus or embryo or even conceived. How did that feel? I don't think
that was so scary. That's where you go when you die. Oblivion. Maybe we should concentrate on making
our lives as fulfilling as we can while we are here. We won't get another chance, no matter what the
"afterlife-hawkers" tell you.
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Len Rosen
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Sep 16, 2012
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For those who are deists, what happens when human technology becomes so advanced that we can prolong
our lives indefinitely? Ray Kurzweil, the noted futurist, calls this moment in time the singularity.
In my 21st Century Tech blog at www.21stcentech.com I write about the end of aging, when we can
re-engineer our bodies replacing worn out valves and organs, eliminating cancer cells by
interrupting their replication, ending dementia and other brain diseases, and developing nanobots
that internally keep us in good shape to compliment our immune systems. These capabilities are ones
that we are quickly approaching. We may see the first millenarian born in this century, a person who
lives for 1,000 or more years. So if we don't die the afterlife, that so many who are believers see
as the reward for living here on Earth, may be put off indefinitely.
There is life and there is nothing else. The complex chemistry that made us possible has been on a
journey that has taken billions of years to reach the point where we exist. And now, we humans, have
evolved a highly complex, technological society, where we can restore and replicate the biology that
is us. Does that make us gods?
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Dec 8, 2012
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for better understanding man created god for in simpler times past there was little or no
understanding.Has we have evolved and our understanding (science)grows fewer people believe in god
man (male & female) will prevail.
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ian rae
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Dec 8, 2012
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Your questioning is the proof that science will prevail as science is nothing more than the thought
processes of the human brain.This website is nothing more than proof that we evolve in our social
understanding and the realisation of man(male&female) incredible future.
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john skinner
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Dec 8, 2012
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Len thanks, You stimulate me to verbalize my beliefs.
I consider myself a deist, but an Ignostic, aka John Loyd
http://www.ted.com/talks/john_lloyd_an_animated_tour_of_the_invisible.html
A Christian upbringing and a Masters in Genetics I have no sympathies for either side of the
Dawkins/Fundamentalist Christian debate.
Science has made tremendous advances in what we know. But, how close are we to knowing it all,or as
you say, being gods?
Do we know it all or do we still have a humility to the beauty and mysteries of this world and the
universe? (paradoxically I think that scientists that retain that humility will make the biggest
impact new discoveries)
For my beliefs I try to reconcile the wisdom of ancient thinkers with the discoveries we make every
day. eg.
"It is not given to us to grasp the truth, which is identical with the divine, directly.
We perceive it only in reflection, in example and symbol, in singular and related appearances.
It meets us as a kind of life which is incomprehensible to us,
and yet we cannot free ourselves from the desire to comprehend it."--Goethe
And really beliefs are not a win/lose, they are only important if they impact how we live.
To close will give you my favorite verse from the Bible (I so hate when other people do this  )
"Seek justice (for the poor), Love mercy (compassion)and walk humbly before your god (however you
define him)"
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Dec 11, 2012
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As we evolve religion diminishes and intelligent design is a human trait.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Mar 30, 2013
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Liamjod wrote:
This thread is intended for discussion about the origin
of our species and universe. Must the theories of Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design be
opposed to each other?
Check out this article in the Guardian and this video from new scientist for more
info on the ida fossil who has recently renewed the debate.
This post was edited on: 2009-06-13 at 07:42 PM by: Liamjod (Moderator)
I do not see these three opposed to each other because very simply I recognize that;
1- Intelligent design: yes, there is an intelligent design.
Example: A designer invented my blood circle.
2- Evolution: there are kinds of evolutions going on in all beings.
Example: shapes of our teeth and our feet which have gone through changes due to eating habits and
foot ware.
3- Creationism: it seems creationism is left for the man to took for how and what happened. Whoever
the creator is, has given us the power of thought by designing brains. Not all things are easy to
understand. Some shall be harder and need lots of science and scientists to investigate although we
could also follow words of the creator.
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Re: Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design
Apr 2, 2013
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Besides;
1- could the Sun be so engineered to provide light and heat without an intelligent designer?
2- could a natural phenomenon like photosynthesis happen without an intelligent designer?
3- what about the natural cycles such as carbon,nitrogen,phosphor, etc?
4- what about creation of water? All matters lose volume when physical state changes from liquid to
solid. But we see increase of volume when water becomes ice and the result is accumulation of ice
in poles leading to many phenomena vital for the existence of life in the planet.
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