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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
July 2, 2009 - 01:09 PM

In my opinion, life starts as the baby lands on the hand of nurses. However, if a woman is pregnant, she should be responsible for her future baby. I think that government should make abortion strict, forbidding women from aborting for no reason. However, prengancy due to raping and other unwanted sex should be excluded, and abortion in these cases should be allowed

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
July 5, 2009 - 02:59 PM

Life starts with an egg that had been fertilized, and from there the baby comes, and no I don't think we should always abort, I think that when the woman chose to have sex she should have been aware of anything coming with it, thus having the responsibility to take care of that baby. But when she didn't have the choice( like if she was raped) that would give her the choice to wither to abort or not.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 16, 2009 - 10:11 AM

As said by those before me i believe a woman should stand responsible for her own actions and not let and unborn fetus pay the price. On the matter of someone being raped..... well its hard to say but am equally as firm in saying she shouldnt. Simply because, if a woman has sex which results in pregnancy, it was her mistake, why should the child pay for her laps in judgement, but equally, if a woman is raped, and she decides to terminate the child, then that unborn child will be paying for the mistakes of the rapist. I truly understand and sympatize with all those who have been through such terrible ordeals, but we cannot allow the innocent to suffer for the bad. Even to have the child and put it up for adoption and give the child a chance at life, we cannot treat an act of injustice with more injustice. An even harder choice is if having the child will result in the death of the mother, what to do? well, i believe in a case like that.......... the mother should be allowed to live on(or whatever she chooses in that case i wont question her reasoning for a case like that.) I choose the mother because she already has developed bonds with her friends and family within this world and her death affects far more than an unborn child would(i strongly welcome any criticism to that point). But thats my stand on this point, abortion for any reason other than life or death is solely for convenience. It is not convenient for you to have a child so you discard it. NO, under any circumstance, murder is murder, if you abort that child i consider you just as bad as any felon who has killed to make his/her life smoother. Accept responsibility for your actions, Do not run from them.
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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 16, 2009 - 09:14 PM

The vast majority of abortions take place in the first 8 weeks of pregnancy. During this time the fertilized egg (embryo) can hardly be seen, it is so small. An abortion at this stage results in a small amount of red matter that looks like raspberry jelly. HOW CAN ANYONE CLAIM THIS IS A CHILD????? HOW CAN ANYONE DENY A WOMAN THE RIGHT TO END AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY AT THIS STAGE????? Only people who feel women should be punished for having sex, I guess.

Every child that is born should be a wanted child. Every woman who becomes a mother should want to become a mother. It is her right. It is also her right to enjoy sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants. That is called equality between men and women.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 16, 2009 - 09:54 PM

so basically your saying because you cant see it, you cant interact with it's ok to kill it? life is life and murder is murder. People must be held accountable for there actions and i don't know why u think men are different. BOTH PARTIES must take responsibilty for there actions. There are so many birth control methods available, again i say, do not punish an unborn for your own mistakes

btw, this is an aborted fetus at 8 weeks, abortion is easy because unlike other kinds of murders you dont have to look at the victim.

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/AbortionPictures/images/abortion-08-01.jpg
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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 22, 2009 - 05:07 AM

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so basically your saying because you cant see it, you cant interact with it's ok to kill it? life is life and murder is murder. People must be held accountable for there actions and i don't know why u think men are different. BOTH PARTIES must take responsibilty for there actions. There are so many birth control methods available, again i say, do not punish an unborn for your own mistakes

btw, this is an aborted fetus at 8 weeks, abortion is easy because unlike other kinds of murders you dont have to look at the victim.

Yes, that is what I am saying. If something is so small that you can barely see it, it is okay to kill it. We step on ants every day without a second thought. Ants, unlike human embryos, are fully formed sentient beings, but they are insignificant enough not to make us hesitate to step on them.

A human embryo of course has the potential to become a human being, but potentiality and actual being are two different things. I can always say I am an artist that should be supported by a rich patron until I create my masterpiece, but a reasonable rich patron would probably say I should create my masterpiece first, before he/she decides to support me. Likewise, as a fetus approaches birth, it is accorded more protection and that is why late term abortions are quite difficult to obtain, usually only when the woman's life is in danger.

This claim that terminating an embryo is "killing" a human being is a lie. Placing the "right to life" of a very small embryo above the right of an adult woman to lead her life as she sees fit is pure misogyny. I will agree with you that contraception is cheaper than abortion and provides more safety from sexually transmitted diseases. But men are often uncooperative and contraception does fail on occasion. Abortion must always remain a woman's human right.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 22, 2009 - 07:30 AM

Abortion is a right to kill, to kill for convenience and to make a past mistake disappear. It is not an issue of rights of an embryo or woman, it is an issue of people not taking responsiblilty for there actions. If abortion is so necessary and that they have to fight this much for it then i would think none of the women are mature enough for the consequences of sex. They seem like children. Run around and do what they want and when they get busted they try to hide the evidence. Only a child should be able to do immature things, As a grown woman some level of maturity should be about her.

Maturity to take responsibility for there actions and not kill it and sweep it under a carpet. You don't give a car to a ten year old because they cannot handle it or take care of it or maintain it, thus they aren't ready for it. So too for a woman, if you cannot live with the straight forward consequences of sex........ wait until you can.
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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 24, 2009 - 01:46 AM

Oats162 wrote:

Abortion is a right to kill, to kill for convenience and to make a past mistake disappear. It is not an issue of rights of an embryo or woman, it is an issue of people not taking responsiblilty for there actions. If abortion is so necessary and that they have to fight this much for it then i would think none of the women are mature enough for the consequences of sex. They seem like children. Run around and do what they want and when they get busted they try to hide the evidence. Only a child should be able to do immature things, As a grown woman some level of maturity should be about her.

Maturity to take responsibility for there actions and not kill it and sweep it under a carpet. You don't give a car to a ten year old because they cannot handle it or take care of it or maintain it, thus they aren't ready for it. So too for a woman, if you cannot live with the straight forward consequences of sex........ wait until you can.

Abortion is not killing. Who is killed in an abortion???? Can you give me his/her name? Does this embryo, this small collection of dividing cells meet the definition of a human being? Only in your mind!

The adult woman, on the other hand, has a name, she is standing before you. Who are you to tell her she cannot end an unwanted pregancy? Who are you to tell her she cannot engage in sex as she sees fit? Women have so little power as it is. They must do backbreaking work while their lazy husbands drink tea, in many countries they cannot vote, as John Lennon said, "Woman are the last N-gg--s of the world."

We must respect women as human beings with human rights to happiness and fulfillment, not put the rights of a small group of cells above the rights of a woman.

Deciding to have or not have an abortion is a woman's responsibility, not ours. Can you say bringing an unwanted child into the world is an act of responsibility? That is the height of irresponsibility. How many more homeless children must sift through the garbage mountains of Manila in the Philippines? Lets make every child in this world a wanted child! Let's respect women and give them more choices, not less.

The consequence of sex should be pleasure, not unwanted pregnancy or sexual disease. Yes, I am in favor of contraception, let's make the full range of family planning options available to all women. Abortion is one of those options.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 24, 2009 - 08:55 PM

collection of dividing cells? when does it stop being dividing cells and become a living soul? who can tell me when it has it first thoughts? by the time a woman realizes she is pregnant those dividing cells have already started taking form, regardless of how small it is, it is still life. STOP MAKING EXCUSES. If the problem is lazy husbands then it is simple..... get a man who works and not one who sits down all day watching the game.

If you choose a good for nothing, unhelpful man to court with then that is your own fault, know a man before you let him get that far. And yes, it is irresponsible, there is an over abundance of contraceptive methods in this world, failure to use one for any reason that is not medically relevant is the height of irresponsibility. Again I ask, when does life start? when does the fetus gain consciousness? abortion is like a blind man holding a gun, he will never see who, where or how the bullet kills, i guess ignorance truly is bliss
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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 25, 2009 - 03:39 AM

Oats162 wrote:

collection of dividing cells? when does it stop being dividing cells and become a living soul? who can tell me when it has it first thoughts? by the time a woman realizes she is pregnant those dividing cells have already started taking form, regardless of how small it is, it is still life. STOP MAKING EXCUSES. Again I ask, when does life start? when does the fetus gain consciousness? abortion is like a blind man holding a gun, he will never see who, where or how the bullet kills, i guess ignorance truly is bliss.

What is a soul??????? Where is a soul?????? Now we have it: you are aganst abortion because of your religion. You think you can stump me by asking when an embryo becomes a human. But YOU know when! You call it a human when the sperm hits the egg! Now it has a soul! How do you know that?

The Supreme Court of the USA in its landmark ruling Roe vs. Wade said a woman has the right to have an abortion until the "viability" of the fetus occurs (the designation "fetus" means at least 10 weeks have to have passed before viability is even considered). And she can even have an abortion after viability for health reasons.

This from Wikipedia:

The court held that an embryo or fetus was not a person under the Constitution, and that a right to privacy existed and included the right to have an abortion. The court found that a woman had a right to abortion until viability, a point to be determined by the abortion doctor. After viability a woman can obtain an abortion for health reasons, which the Court defined broadly to include psychological well-being.

A central issue in the Roe case (and in the wider abortion debate in general) is whether human life begins at conception, birth, or at some point in between. The Court declined to make an attempt at resolving this issue, noting: "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer." Instead, it chose to point out that historically, under English and American common law and statutes, "the unborn have never been recognized...as persons in the whole sense."

I am glad I live in a country that does not recognize a small collection of dividing cells as a human being which is more important than an adult woman, unlike Jamaica.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 25, 2009 - 08:18 PM

Again, it is not about rights, and i don't think a room filled with people who specialize in law can determine when a fetus stops being a fetus. My religious, moral social, all standards i own states that NO ONE can tell me when life starts or when it gains consciousness. Women must be careful who they have sex with and the type of protection used. Unwanted pregnancy in this day and age where there is such an abundance of contraceptive use is nothing short of carelessness and irresponsibility. That is the reason why i am against it. It is no different than an immature child who got something he wasn't ready for and trying to dispose of it.
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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
August 28, 2009 - 12:21 AM

As the feminists say, if you don't like abortion, then don't have one.

But don't deny a woman the right to control her own body. Keep your religious beliefs to yourself and don't try to impose them on others.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
September 30, 2009 - 09:24 AM

I agree with your point that people should not run from their action. but can i ask you what happen if a young or women has four children and after giving birth to these children she decides not to get pregnant again and decides to practice safe sex like taking family planning treatment and while in the process she gets pregnant do you support if she abort that pregnancy since she decides not to have children anymore.

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Re: Abortion in the world Right or Wrong?
October 9, 2009 - 03:37 PM

prieten47 wrote:

Every child that is born should be a wanted child. Every woman who becomes a mother should want to become a mother. It is her right.

Excellently said. If this is the principle behind choice of abortion, well go ahead. And the people making their decision on the basis of this principle would ensure abortion takes place within 7 weeks of conception.

This post was edited on: 2009-10-09 at 03:44 PM by: siddiq92

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