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Waterboarding is torture?
May 1, 2009 - 09:05 AM
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Obama and these liberals thinks waterboarding is torture to the dirty scum terrorists. waterboarding helped the U.S. unlock secrets and future attacks of the terrorists. They are willing to kill thousands of Americans and dunking their scum in water to help America is torture? What should we give them donuts and tell them to take their time?
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 1, 2009 - 10:51 AM
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mafro90 wrote:
Obama and these liberals thinks waterboarding is torture to the dirty scum terrorists. waterboarding helped the U.S. unlock secrets and future attacks of the terrorists. They are willing to kill thousands of Americans and dunking their scum in water to help America is torture? What should we give them donuts and tell them to take their time?
It was precisely this logic behind the decision of Japanese fascists to waterboard American and other allied prisoners of war. A lot of Japanese, particularly at the top level of the government and the military certainly believed, as ardently in their convictions as you are in yours, that Americans and other allied forces, including those whom the Japanese suspected of helping the allied forces were "dirty scums." Apparently, what we are witnessing today is the resurgence of the logic of the Japanese fascists in the United States.
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever demonstrating that waterboarding "helped the U.S. unlock secrets and future attacks of the terrorists." On the contrary, there is an awesome lot of evidence showing that waterboarding and other forms of torture were inflicted on people who have no connection to terrorism at all.
May I also remind you that the Japanese military officials were convicted with war crimes for practicing waterboarding irrespective of their intentions.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 1, 2009 - 01:58 PM
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Whether people consider it a torture technique or not?
The truth is that it is considered to be a crime and is punishable.
The Japanese were prosecuted for using water boarding. "In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor".
Khmer Rouge was also suspected of using Water Boarding for torture.
Even in USA there have been instances of conviction for using Water Boarding;
On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk." The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier.
SO why should now the Americans be pardoned for employing this technique?
The point is that the Law should be uniformly applicable in every case. There should be no hypocrisy.
This post was edited on: 2009-05-01 at 02:03 PM by: anuriandima84
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 2, 2009 - 04:14 PM
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Two wrongs dont make a right! Mostimes the crooked way is easy. The fact that waterboating is considered a crime punishable by law makes it illegal and illegitimate as a interogating techinique. Its not an option, The fact that it has been used before to obtain information that has proved invaluable does not legitimise its usage. We need to stop limiting ourselves to this illegal method of obtaining information and consider other ways that are consistent to International human rights agreement.We need to agree that there are acceptable/legal ways of obtaining information and waterboating is not one of them.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 4, 2009 - 12:52 PM
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The main problem is that you justification for using torture is that those people are "dirty scum". You are only assuming that, and this assumption might lead to errors and, consequently, injustice.
For example: This way of thinking might make people from Iraq say that you are punishable by torture, only because you are American, and the american "scum" invaded and killed tons of Iraqi people. That's a dangerous way of thinking, that certainly leads to more injustice and more hatred.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 4, 2009 - 01:33 PM
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You assume that waterboarding was applied only on proven "dirty scum" terrorists, but the fact is that it was applied on innocent people too and it did not always give rise to valuable information. Waterboarding is not morally right, no matter whom we are doing it to and that is why it is illegal.Think of yourself as being suspected for being a terrorist and then waterboarding is applied on you to get information even though it has not been proven that you are "dirty scum". This would be outrageous, inhumane and illegal and I am sure you will not be in favor of this.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 5, 2009 - 05:39 AM
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I am still amazed by how easily Americans were misled into the Iraq War on false evidence, fear and warmongering. After reading your post, I am no longer amazed. If no one takes the time to research and question the news they spoon feed us, We as Americans have only ourselves to blame for why the world mistrusts and hates us.
As the gentleman has written above;
I tell you..these is absolute truth, they drip feed you with their 'truth' and this is not neccesarily the truth and now they want to manipulate your ideals in teh name of your safety!..two wrongs dont make a right, there is always a fair (acceptable) way of doing it.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 6, 2009 - 04:59 AM
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mafro90 wrote:
Obama and these liberals thinks waterboarding is torture to the dirty scum terrorists. waterboarding helped the U.S. unlock secrets and future attacks of the terrorists. They are willing to kill thousands of Americans and dunking their scum in water to help America is torture? What should we give them donuts and tell them to take their time?
Are you serious? so you support such methods to get informations???
I really wan't excuse any terrorist, but to use waterboarding to get informations ..... who ever does this isn't better than any terrorist!!!Because also this is a kind of terror used against one person, may it be a terrorist or not!
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 8, 2009 - 08:53 AM
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carmen89sto wrote:
mafro90 wrote:
Obama and these liberals thinks waterboarding is torture to the dirty scum terrorists. waterboarding helped the U.S. unlock secrets and future attacks of the terrorists. They are willing to kill thousands of Americans and dunking their scum in water to help America is torture? What should we give them donuts and tell them to take their time?
Are you serious? so you support such methods to get informations???
I really wan't excuse any terrorist, but to use waterboarding to get informations ..... who ever does this isn't better than any terrorist!!!Because also this is a kind of terror used against one person, may it be a terrorist or not!
You truly are "slow". If these terrorists are willing to kill thousands of Americans for the sake of their country we cant pour some damn water on their face to prevent that from ever happening? Why dont u try using some common logic. It's americans like you thta make us look bad. I would pour anyone under water to save the lives of many.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 8, 2009 - 03:54 PM
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mafro90 wrote:
carmen89sto wrote:
mafro90 wrote:
Obama and these liberals thinks waterboarding is torture to the dirty scum terrorists. waterboarding helped the U.S. unlock secrets and future attacks of the terrorists. They are willing to kill thousands of Americans and dunking their scum in water to help America is torture? What should we give them donuts and tell them to take their time?
Are you serious? so you support such methods to get informations???
I really wan't excuse any terrorist, but to use waterboarding to get informations ..... who ever does this isn't better than any terrorist!!!Because also this is a kind of terror used against one person, may it be a terrorist or not!
You truly are "slow". If these terrorists are willing to kill thousands of Americans for the sake of their country we cant pour some damn water on their face to prevent that from ever happening? Why dont u try using some common logic. It's americans like you thta make us look bad. I would pour anyone under water to save the lives of many.
Well then are you saying you would have no problem if it is declared legal and allowed in every country and authorized by UN also?
Which of course means anybody including Americans who are detained elsewhere could also be put thorough similar stuff.
I am not equating the terrorists with 'anybody' here. But the people who are detained are not necessarily terrorists.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 8, 2009 - 04:13 PM
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Marc, that's exactly the kind of arrogant/childish thinking that makes the terrorists hate the U.S...
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 13, 2009 - 11:21 AM
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marc wrote:
You truly are "slow". If these terrorists are willing to kill thousands of Americans for the sake of their country we cant pour some damn water on their face to prevent that from ever happening? Why dont u try using some common logic. It's americans like you thta make us look bad. I would pour anyone under water to save the lives of many.
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i'm italian not american, just to clear
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i am "slow" because i don't tolerate that they used unhuman methods to get their informations???
i think u are "slow", as i said, i won't excuse any terrorist, but 2 wrongs doesn't make a right
they killed people so that gives someone the right to torture them??
sry but where is there than the diffrence between the terrorist and the ones that are using waterboarding and other unhuman methods??
they are than on the same level, and no one is better than the other!!
and by the way, i think many years/the rest oft the life in jail are torture enaugh
they are still human beeings and have their rights AS ANYONE ELSE SHOULD !!!!
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 13, 2009 - 11:28 AM
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A tortures B - B tortures A
after my opinion then are both terrorists..........
An eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 25, 2009 - 04:16 AM
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Lets not forget basic Human Rights, is one country better than the other? Do some humans deserve more rights than others? There is no evidence that waterboarding achieved true confesions. The Japanese used torture as did the Nazis in WW2, as a consequence the UDHR was written, I would like to see us start taking responsibility for it in the 21st Century. No one has the Right to torture another human.
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Re: Waterboarding is torture?
May 25, 2009 - 12:34 PM
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loms09 wrote: No one has the Right to torture another human.
well said
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