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Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 16, 2009 - 08:35 AM
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The industrialized nations of the world have been dumping tons of toxic chemical waste off the coast of Somalia for many years. These same nations have been unlawfully overfishing these coastal waters with huge Mega-factory fishing trawlers that kill millions of fish to the point of extinction. Somali fishermen are now unable to make a living to feed their families. They complained but no one listened or cared about the injustice. Out of anger and desperation they have turned to piracy in place of fishing. When industrialized nations plunder, rape and destroy the ecosystems that sustain weaker nations, we should expect them to become angry. When you push a people into a state of desperation you sow the seeds of terror because you leave them no other choice..There are no "little" enemies. We create them every day.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 17, 2009 - 01:40 AM
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Those who make piracy or terrorism are the heartless, cowards, crude and uncivilised porpets who lack human dignity and non conformists.
No matter what their so called justifications may be, I find it difficult to understand and accept their so called demands.
How can you distroy thousands of people or properties for the sake of one thing or person? or why should they be taking in to captivity in demand for some thing that you did not give for keeping nor was it or them been credited at any given time from you or your relatives?
Again, I consider them as nor thing but lazy and wicked lower kingdom animals who have no reason living amongst civilised people on planet earth,
Therefore, I will appeal to all civilised people in the world not to give them any breeding space but to contiue opposing them as well as prosecuting them by the rule of law.
So that they too could face the music if found guilty for their dirty tricks.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 17, 2009 - 02:22 PM
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Maybe its poverty that makes pirates. And terrorists. I think there are so many factors involved.
Instability in their country, their region,in their family, frustration among the youth, lure of easy money... there could be so many reasons to become a pirate. I'm sure that the reasons you mentioned are very valid. And they have little to lose by becoming pirates. Life's bad eitherway.
Most terrorists are probably in it for the money too maybe. But there is also the other kind of terrorist that we see,- educated, and has never has anything lacking in life. They come from well-to do families, and have family support, education. I think ideology makes those kinds.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 19, 2009 - 03:41 PM
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14me wrote:
Those who make piracy or terrorism are the heartless, cowards, crude and uncivilised porpets who lack human dignity and non conformists.
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The word "cowards" do not always convey a positive connotation. Say what you want, but it takes a lot of "courage" to carry out, for example, suicide bombing or hijacking a vessel of the most powerful country in the world. It could've after all been better if those nineteen hijackers did not have enough "courage" to bring down the Twin Towers in NY. It could've been better if they were a little "cowardly." No?
Anyway, while I understand your rage against terrorists and pirates, I don't understand why you are silent about the other side. Who are the "civilized" people? Those who, by using their more advanced technology, overfish on the shores of Somalia, depriving those extremely poor Somalians off their vital livelihood, while dumping the Somalian shores with nuclear and other toxic wastes? Are they not "cowards"? How about those who push buttons from distance and drop missiles and bombs on areas heavily populated by civilians and describe these barbaric actions as "war on terrorism"? Are they "civilized"? Are they not "cowards"? In my opinion, they are more "cowardly" than pirates and terrorists.
As Alex pointed out, there are two groups participating in these modern businesses. There is a story in St. Augustine's book City of God. Augustine tells about how Alexander the Great captured a pirate and asked him "how dare he molest the sea"? "How dare you molest the whole world" the pirate replied. "Because I do it with a little ship only, I am called a thief; you, doing it with a great navy, are called an emperor."
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 21, 2009 - 07:26 PM
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The word "cowards" is NOT supposed to convey any form of courage.
Only a supporter of terrorism would even try to suggest it takes courage to blow ones self up. "courage" to board a vessel with a small unarmed crew? Yup that's "courage".
It was not "courage" that brought the towers down. It was their faith in Islam, that was their motivation. To strike down the infidels. How you can even begin to call it "courage" is beyond me.
Yes the dumping is wrong on so many levels. Please don't try to justify terrorism.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 22, 2009 - 02:09 AM
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A good article, relevant to this discussion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8010061.stm
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 22, 2009 - 02:15 AM
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Robert,
Why is so hard for you to properly understand my posts? Why do you have to misinterpret them? It is clear that I am questioning the very meaning, or its widely-known interpretations, of the word "courage," and thus am putting that word, as well as the word "cowardly," in quotations marks. My ultimate point is that it is irrelevant whether terrorism is "courage" or "cowardly." What matters is that it is wrong. So is piracy. So is dropping bombs and rockets and kill civilians. So is stealing fish of poor countries such as Somalia. So is dumping toxic materials and destroy weak countries' environment.
Got my point?
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 22, 2009 - 11:52 AM
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http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Apr222009/panorama20090421131593.asp
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 22, 2009 - 07:16 PM
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Now you have stated your point clearly and concisely. Your clearly a very intelligent person, but you beat around the bush far to much.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 26, 2009 - 12:23 AM
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Very interesting articles and discussion. Does the piracy only benefit the pirates...or does it also attack the root causes that lead them to piracy?
This reminds me a lot of how US foreign policy has created terrorism in the world. For example, the US funded and trained rebel groups in Afghanistan in order to fight the Soviets during the Cold War. Supposedly, Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were included in these groups.
And I find that extremely ironic.
(Although I really don't know much about the subject...Your sources would be welcome, especially if they are more reliable than wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U.S._regime_change_actions#Afghanistan_1978-1980s
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 27, 2009 - 09:00 AM
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This reminds me a lot of how US foreign policy has created terrorism in the world.
Are you implying that US foreign policy is the sole reason for terrorism around the globe?
Charlie Wilson's War By George Crile
Or watch the movie.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 27, 2009 - 09:18 AM
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RobertAllan wrote:
This reminds me a lot of how US foreign policy has created terrorism in the world.
Are you implying that US foreign policy is the sole reason for terrorism around the globe?No.
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Re: Who makes a pirate...or a terrorist...and why?
April 28, 2009 - 12:41 PM
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I would like to introduce a book to you " The confession of an economic Hit Man". I absolutely agree with our hosting here but it is just a small part of everything. Someone said in 20th century, the main struggles are not between Islam and Hindu but Musliums and Chistains.It is the truth. We can see it through the wars of Iraq,September 11th-event,..now the unsafe situations in Afganistan or Pakistan. In summary, the biggest struggle is between America and Arab countries. People are the only one who have suffered from these things.They tried to find a way to live by not being supporting any sides. Children were born and educated by what their parents believe. It is a way to live. A supporter of belief.
pITAtes are different from terrorists. They need money and don't like to earn it difficultly or society does not allow them to live normally that have a job. Especially we are in economic crisis. A group of people gather by money will be easily separated by money.
This post was edited on: 2009-04-28 at 12:57 PM by: dotdot
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