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Millenium goals and our behavior
February 16, 2009 - 09:25 AM
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Hello all,
I'd like to offer my thoughts for discussion:
principally talking about sustainable development, I believe that the key to a more sustainable future for all countries lies in our hands: we have the power as consumers.
We! decide whether or not we buy from multinationals that do not respect
human rights nor environmental concerns;
We! decide whether or not we buy products that contain GMO;
We! decide whether or not we buy products that were produced
- by child labor
- under inhuman conditions
- torturing animals;
We! decide whether "Just be" is only possible when you own a Calvin Klein product or whether our liberty and happiness depends on a certain trademark;
We! decide
every day, every hour, every moment.
That's how we change (or not) the current paradigm.
What do you think?
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 16, 2009 - 10:31 AM
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WHEN IT COMES TO THE MDGs, THEY ARE ALL INTERRELATED THAT IS ACHIEVING ONE LEADS TO THE OTHER.
1.eradicate extreme poverty and hunger
2.Achieving universal basic education.
3.promote gender equality and empower women
4.reduce child mortality
5.increase maternal health
6.combat HIV/AIDS, malaria and other diseases
7.ensure environmental sustainability
8.develop a global partnership.
This means we all have to put our hands on deck because the government cannot do all.We have a long way to go with respect to the MDGs as Africans. To achieve it before the 2015 date then we need to work faster and harder.WE CAN MAKE IT IF WE CHANGE A BEHAVIOR.[quote]
WE CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 16, 2009 - 11:31 AM
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I think both of you are right, but before we can achieve all these goals it is neccessary to educate people. If no one knows about child labor, poverty and inhuman circumstances nothing will change. That's why this platform is such a great idea! *
This post was edited on: 2009-02-16 at 11:32 AM by: Arimia
This post was edited on: 2009-02-16 at 11:33 AM by: Arimia
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 16, 2009 - 10:28 PM
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@Julia-I like where your head's at, but I don't think it's that simple. We can't choose not to buy something because the people with families struggling to make ends meet may not be able to afford the luxury. What we can do is think about ways (like GMO) to produce more with less land and labor. Unless there's evidence of gross immorality, cost will trump everything else.
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 17, 2009 - 04:27 AM
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hi at all,
i`d like to underline that positon .
it`s not that easy to change everything wat`s going wrong.
and by the way: do you think that It is anybodys interest to chance something, what is making money?
infortunately, the world is full off people who are just interested in making profit.
for this people it doesn`t matter, tha it cost thousands of lifes every day.
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 17, 2009 - 08:44 AM
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@TH: don't get me wrong. I know it's not simple. Apart from financial issues it's hard to keep up with all the information and find out what brands are responsible for what crimes.
Yet, I believe that too much focus is given on "the government should..." or "the UN should" or "someone else should".
We make choices every day. I know Coca Cola kills unionists in Colombia and buys away freshwater resources, prohibiting local communities any access. I do not buy Coca Cola. I drink water (is cheaper, too).
Some things are easier to let go than others. And yes, it takes time, it takes dedication and sometimes it sucks because I'd love to have that cream cheese of Nestlé's and there's no other, but here comes lies the question. How dedicated am I?
Just think: a multinational company calculates everything: possible fines for violating human rights, law suits, environmental standards etc. It all ends up in the final product price. So you can sue (if you can, if you find a court with jurisdiction), they'll pay a fine and won't change one bit of their behavior. Why should they?
Now let's have thousands of customers stop buying their product, because they're fed up with unethical behavior. THAT hurts.
My point is, I see many activists crying out loud and having lots of ideas of how to change the world. I see very, very few, however, who are willing to change their life style, even if it means less comfort, investment of time and shifting priorities. Unless we're willing to do just that, however, I see little chance for lasting change. And we can all do something. Maybe we have to get up earlier so we can walk to work; maybe we'll eat meat only twice a week, so we can buy organic meat instead of processed meat; maybe we have to be more creative and alert to our own behavior.
And no, we're not going to change all at once or all today. I just think there's too much talk about "someone should" and too little action in our everyday lives.
with best wishes,
Julia
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 17, 2009 - 02:51 PM
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@ Alex: that everyone is just interested in making profit is not neccessarily a problem. These companies are not stupid. If we start to support more fair trade and organic products and less of the staff they are selling they would notice it eventually. Once they notice that it is easier to make profit with fair prodcuts, they will start to sell those products, which would help us in solving our problem. Didn't you notice how it already started in some parts of the world, for example Germany?!
Unfortuanetly we, the consumers are still too focused on our money.....
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 17, 2009 - 06:32 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly that people should start where they can. While Al Gore's personal carbon footprint may be unavoidable, it definitely hurts his credibility in certain circles. What can I do as just one person is a question that we frequently hear that just doesn't make sense. If everyone who asked that took action, the world would be a different place.
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 19, 2009 - 04:08 AM
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@magdalena: thats what i also mean with profit. there are many people, also in germany, who haven`t the opinion to choose beetween "discount" and fair trade foods.
but there are more people, i think, who are not interested in buying fair trade products, cause they can buy other shi! with the money they save.
but it doesn`t matter. life of those people is full of buying bullsxxx they never need.
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Re:Millenium goals and our behavior
February 19, 2009 - 03:36 PM
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let us be realistic.The millennium goals are unachievable due to the treaties signed by governments and other circumstances even the NGO's that are meant to stabilize things between the government and the people do not act independently they act based on the orders of the Government or donors
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 19, 2009 - 07:23 PM
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@ alex: Well, I think you're right. That's the reason why a suggested education as the first step in achieving the millenium goals (See my first post). I think people will only start to change their behaviour when they are completly aware of the crisis that we will end up in if we (the western world) continue our current lifestyle. The worst thing that could possibly happen is that people resign because words like "climate crisis" lose their effect, although no one knows their real meaning.
@ Akinbobola Ayomide: And why is that so? Because people accept it, without speaking up against it. The whole reason of this platform is to make a difference, but it defeats the purpose if we simply say: "Nothing will ever possibly change..."
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 21, 2009 - 01:41 PM
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The pronouncement of MDG's brought some glim of hope for some of us in the developing world, but half-way through to 2015, very little has been done to move towards their achievement. I totally agree with Magdalena on the part of education. I believe information is power and our oppressive governments know that and they did very little to make all of us know about these targets, because they know it entails us demanding accountability, which they are unwilling to give. Those few of us who have tried to spread the word and promote civic participation in governance as the world begins to welcome participatory governance have been met with repressive laws.
I will totally disagree with Akinbobola's standpoint of unachievable MDG's for those reasons. Governments, especially in Africa, have been very successful in putting it in people's minds that NGO's are told what to say by their donors. I have worked in two NGO's in the last 6 years, it has not happened. The donor community pledges assistance to work that you have established, where there are clear goals and values that they also believe in.
If we are advocating for universal education, and donor X is interested, why should the donor be barred from funding - simply because the government does not want to make a commitment to that cause, knowing very well that a certain threshold of knowledgeable people will be difficult to oppress
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 21, 2009 - 02:56 PM
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Its very easy for you to advocate the MDG'S when you're in the bosom of capitalism and high living standards in Canada whilst we're cooed in poverty stricken Africa. I once heard Bono from U2 say that it would only take $ 3 billion to end world hunger and conflicts in Africa. What he forgot to mention is that peace is an expensive proposition for western governments.
There are over 10 blue chip military company's that make up the Dow Jones Industrial Average, all with market caps of over $20 Billion.
If the Millennium Development Goals were to be seriously addressed by governments, the global financial market would collapse, including the already fragile Canadian economy. As for my African bother Mr Tsunga who said " Governments, especially in Africa, have been very successful in putting it in people's minds that NGO's are told what to say by their donors." I beg to differ Mr Tsunga. The only government in Southern Africa that condones such vile and insidious practices is the government of Uncle Bob. Apart from that, I admire your tenacity and optimism in the face of our bleak future as global citizens. Forgive my pessimism, but we've all been whaling about MDG's for years and nothing has changed.
If these chaps (UN, NATO and the US) cant find Osama Bin Laden, there's no way they can fight world hunger and mitigate on MDG's.
This post was edited on: 2009-02-21 at 03:12 PM by: kaboharold
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 21, 2009 - 05:31 PM
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well , kabol , you`re right. it`s easy to critisize for "us" western.
and it would cost much for fighting poverty.
but do you think america , for example, is interested in fighting it? or europe?
if they would fight it, poverty or aids, a great number of your citizens would become 70years or older.
the western word did had phrases of development years before. and now they will not accept that everybody should live under "human-social" conditions.
that`s , i think , one of the main reasons for poverty and aids in africa.
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Re: Millenium goals and our behavior
February 22, 2009 - 10:53 AM
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Bravo Alex
You have it spot on. I wish everybody participating in this blog had your honesty and insight. Do you know what our darling US President Obama is up too?? The $787 Billion economic stimulus he's managed to sell to the American people has a provision that outlines that Americans receiving the funds should "BUY AMERICAN MADE GOODS"... The provision itself stinks of protectionism. What happened to US-Africa Trade agreements or US-Europe trade treaties???
One thing that everybody should take note of is that Africa and other struggling countries(East European) can reduce poverty by embracing capitalism. Only through trade and commerce can we have thriving economies in all four continents. MDG's are taking a back seat to terrorism, global warming, human rights and the financial crisis simply because the US hasn't invested a lot in Africa. I know we're in a recession and every country should try to save their own industries but even before Wall Street crashed, MDG's we're in the dark. If Citigroup or JP Morgan Chase had Offices in Africa and other poorer countries, perhaps we'd see positive change from the West. In other words my friends, if the West makes gains from a continent eg the Middle East, positive change will definitely follow. 50 years ago UAE, Saudi Arabia, Dubai etc we're only exporting dates and other indigenous fruits. Today, these countries I speak of are a paradise to Western investors and businessmen.
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