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Friedrich Brandi
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USA democratic?
March 16, 2009 - 06:56 PM
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We cannot have democracy in a world where economy is globalized and policy is not.
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Democracy (Demos=the people & Kratia=rule)
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In todays political system it is not the people that rule:
We vote for whatever government we belive will make our country wealthy -we vote for the political party that will "create" jobs.
A government can only create jobs by attracting investments from the financial market. The financial market compares the conditions in different countries and invests wherever it gets the best profit-risk-ratio.
In the long run we will therefore always vote for those governments that will deregulate the markets, that will abolish environmental protection law, that will minimise social wellfare, etc.
We have no choice because we depend on our jobs, we depend on the financial market.
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I am not generally against market economy and I belive we need some competition between the regions of the world, but I belive we need to have a transparent system of global governance that will encounter market failure on global level and therewith will help increase global wealth.
Most economists would argue like that I belive.
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 17, 2009 - 12:05 PM
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I think you are right.
The countries should all have the same power and some votes shouln't count more than others!!
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Friedrich Brandi
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 17, 2009 - 12:57 PM
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The countries should all have the same power and some votes shouln't count more than others!!
That is not what I was wanting to say. I belive every citizen of our planet should have the same "power".
If China and Andorra had the same power that would not be fair!
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 18, 2009 - 04:40 PM
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That is not what I was wanting to say. I belive every citizen of our planet should have the same "power".
If China and Andorra had the same power that would not be fair!
Exactly, it makes sense. But in that case each country would have a decision power proportional to it's population..?
But that wouldnt mean that the country's decision would be representative of it's people opinions, would it?
More, if the country would decide according to the majority of it's population, that still wouldn't mean that the majority of the world population would have a say in the subject. I mean, an example: the majority of people of some very populated countries approve some decision. Despite the fact that the majority of the world population would vote against it, these majority consisting also in the minorites of the very populated countries..
This is a very complex problem.
Anyway, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
However, I agree with you when you say that we, citizens,should pressure the politicians to reform UN.
but it will be a challenge to find a better way of representative democracy..
It's already challenge in EU, in UN will be even bigger.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 18, 2009 - 08:07 PM
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It is barely democratic.
Open vote, veto power . . . really?
And plus, the West has control over it. 
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Owulezi
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 20, 2009 - 11:22 AM
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From my own evalution, UN is very democratic but the issue here is, when do each of us as a person recognise UN and get invlove to know what is happening within, as it's, we are the same people to fix things the way it should be..I'm thanking America and other countries who has been financing UN because if not this foundation could have been a thing of past by now, Rome wasn't built in a day!
Afterall it always took nations enough time from the very independent day to actualize full democracy...i belief UN is moving forward and needs our help
I'm glad to see our world becoming one global community and UN is the only catayist/agent to actualize the dreams.
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 21, 2009 - 02:14 AM
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1 country 1 vote is not democracy
real democracy would be 1 person 1 vote.
You cannot have a country like say Barbados - with a smaller population then a small city - wielding the same voting power as India.
It is very difficult to really create a democratic UN.
Basically China would run things - not sure at this point that is the wisest situation.
The problem is that politics are still controlled by nations - yet all nations are really not equal - in population, resources, capability, economy.
It is not as simple a concept as saying all people are equal - which is self evident.
Also - it is more complex because countries have soveriegnty - For instance right now the OIC is trying to make law that would make it illegal to criticize religion - basically because they don't like criticism of Islam.
Should I, as a citizen of the US, be obliged to live by that law...
these are not simple questions - we should not pretend there are simple answers.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 22, 2009 - 03:53 PM
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"Basically because they don't want people to criticize Islam"?
What? The West doesn't care if anyone criticizes Islam because it is obvious that they are killing millions in Iraq with impunity. It is wrong to criticize Judaism, Christianity, or Islam in my opinion.
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Friedrich Brandi
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 22, 2009 - 07:39 PM
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luke wrote:
It is very difficult to really create a democratic UN.
Difficult, but possible.
luke wrote:
Basically China would run things - not sure at this point that is the wisest situation.
China would not "run things". Chinese make up less than 20% of the worlds population.
luke wrote:
these are not simple questions - we should not pretend there are simple answers.
You are right it is not simple, but there are answers.
And with the concept of subsidiarity we can preserve cultural differences and still have global laws for certain fields such as environmental protection, financial market regulation etc.
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I'm glad to see our world becoming one global community and UN is the only catayist/agent to actualize the dreams.
I agree so much!
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Please feel free to make the UN a more democratic organisation:
http://www.unpacampaign.org/
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Ca
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 24, 2009 - 11:46 AM
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@Friedrich Brandi
I haven't explained me very well.
what I wanted to say is not, that for ex. China and Andorra should have the same power reguarding the UN, than that wouldn't be fair. (because of population, economy, ecc.)
But I think that they should give smaller countries more chances to get involed,to express their opinions. Espescially reguarding the UNSC I think some changes would be useful (for ex. countries like Germany should be more involved)
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Emeka Diru
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 28, 2009 - 10:08 AM
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the United Nation is democratic though its vital offices,it has a well representative governing in most locality...if we must make some input here ,the issue of democracy is crucial,was it really people of the nation that voted its self to a union,was not in bid to arrest lawlessness in the past that prone its effectiveness.
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Robert
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 29, 2009 - 05:59 PM
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adeltaY wrote:
"Basically because they don't want people to criticize Islam"?
What? The West doesn't care if anyone criticizes Islam because it is obvious that they are killing millions in Iraq with impunity. It is wrong to criticize Judaism, Christianity, or Islam in my opinion.
Why is it simply the "West's" fault?
Every religion can and should be criticized, questioned or even mocked.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 29, 2009 - 09:45 PM
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I am sick of arguing with you so I'm not. The fact is most people who do criticize religion do it without knowledge. As for mocking religion . . . I'm not even going to dignify that with a reply.
I respectfully withdraw from this thread to avoid another argument.
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Robert
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 29, 2009 - 11:10 PM
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The intellectual, as intellectual, questions everything which he encounters
Read: Religion and its Intellectual Critics.
by Paul Tillich
Should mocking religion should be off-limits out of respect for believers?
I think not 
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Re: How democratic is the UN?
March 30, 2009 - 12:16 PM
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Just the beginning, the calm before the storm.
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