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Yara Kassem
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Getting too much emotional now
January 10, 2004 - 04:21 AM
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Hi Guys,
I've been reading all your posts yesterday and I just found out that we need to calm down a bit..
Luke,I guess the both sides are getting too much nervous about the whole issue,it became just a matter of personal accusations all of us are just trying to proove that the other side is the one who started hatred and agression..
We're just running to get historical proofs that the other side is the agressive,violent and the one starting that conflict..
Isn't it getting too much emotional????
Ok,the Arabs were in Spain!!!That was hundreds of years ago,I can't get your point now,you're judging us as violent and agressive people because those facts belonging to hundredes of years ago,If we start by getting those historical proofs this discussion will never end and will never get to a result,this war will just be eternal...
I don't feel like getting into historical details now,there's some facts that both of us know,some of them I know and you don't and also you might know some facts that I don't..There might be some statements by some of our leaders that might be against you Guys,there will also be a lot of statements by your leaders against us..OK..
Don't tell me Luke that you're agreeing with every single word said by Mr.Bush,this will never happen..Nobody can be perfect...
So,when it comes to the relationship between people like you & me and all those people participating in this discussion,Do you judge me as being Egyptian?Arab?Muslim?or simply for being a human like you?having the same right?feelings?pain and joy???
If you just meet me in the street one day,you will refuse to deal with me just for belonging to one of those countries?the arab countries?just because you beleive that those people hate you?
Why do you have to judge me according to my religion,why don't you just build your judgement according to the way I'm dealing with you,my religion is my absolute privacy,it's something between me & god,Apart from that I'm a human just like you,I may have my traditions and customs that you might find different from you and even maybe weird or strange,but you just have to respect it exactly like I respect your cultural beleifs...
You were right Luke when you said it's all about clash of cultures but isn't time yet to start to the accept the other,even if you disagree with some of my beleifs????
And Yes Jda,in your countries governments pay for building us mosquees and so happens in my country too,in Egypt you're free to drink alcool,do whatever you like..and it's not only in Red Sea...
But,it's when people like you or anyone else meeting us in the streets and you see that look in their eyes when you just mention being an arab,this is the discrimination I'm taking about..
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Haseeb
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Yet again!
January 10, 2004 - 04:55 AM
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Luke, the Arabs fine were once invading other countries and regions (Europe, Asia ,Africa) , but was there any international law banning then of doing so?
Was there a United Nation as a globaly decision making body?
Did they breach resolutions by doing so?
I am affraid , the answer to all this would be NO.
Whereas Now , even theough there is a UN , even though there are international laws banning invassion of other countries, we still see that happen .
You can never campare 1400 years ago to now.
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Yara Kassem
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Re: Why do Arabs hate the West?
January 10, 2004 - 05:06 AM
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Oh Yes Haseeb,you're absolutely right..
Arabs invaded Europe,Asia (though the word invasion is still tough,if we compare with the invasion of these days),but as you say Haseeb there was no UN,no international law,no oil ressources - they didn't invade such countries for having oil ressources or pretending to give them peace, freedom and democracy or interefering in their internal stuff,and eventhough they were going to those countries to spread Islam but christians were treated in a good way,nobody forced them to embrace Islam,nobody killed their wives and children infront of them,and they weren't taken to jail and being tortured..
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Saladin
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Re: Why do Arabs hate the West?
January 10, 2004 - 07:37 AM
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Dear Luke,
it seems that you forgot that this is an international discussion in which disagreements can happen.
I cannot pass your direct verbal abuse when you said: "Kid,..", "stupid logic",and "many intelligent and well-informed people disagree with you"..., I can only comment on this by saying that this is not a way to convince someone who disagrees with you, and this is not a way to conduct an argument, this is not a website for criticizing others.....anyway, I will make my mind, as I always do.
It is not only you Luke who travelled around the world; you can see this just by checking my member profile.
It is not you only my friend Luke who reads lots of books and reports, I do also.
It is not you only who can find some intelligent and well-educated people who agree with you; please check those links: [http://www.counterpunch.org/chuckman10182003.html]
and [http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs10172003.html]
or you can just go on any research website and type the:9-11+conspiracy+theory; you will find countless prestigious western writers who are probably intelligent and well educated, and who disagree with you.
I believe completely in what I have said before, that it is all a pre-arranged, and pre-ordained matter of ongoing self-interest, and whether do you like this or not, that's what I think.
I must say that I disagree with you, but I respect your point of view...
Regarding the individual relashionship between you and me, I said that I will forget about your verbal abuse, and if you want me regret my term "brainwash", then it's OK man, no problem with this, we mustn't let that discussion be derived to a personal dual between both of us.
I think it is just the time to close this discussion.
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