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Abigail Ngulube
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Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
September 30, 2008 - 05:52 AM
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There is no peace because that is the way everyone wants it to be. As for what will happen in 2009, it is anyone's guess, but it is not likely to be good, only Isaeli - Palestinian can make Peace prevail on their midst.
Again there is an "ostensible" reason and possibly a different "real" reason behind it.
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
September 30, 2008 - 09:20 PM
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THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND PALESTINE DO NOT HAVE PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINS. THE CAUSE OF THESE CONFLICT IS FROM EXTERNAL PEOPLE FUNDING THEM TO KILL THEMSELVES. THEY GREW UP TOGETHER WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER AND HAVE FRIENDS, THEN ONE DAY ABOVE 18 YEARS OLD THEY JOIN GROUPS THAT SAY BURN OR KILL THE OTHER AND GO TO HEAVEN OR BE SAVED???? NO, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE JOBS TO DO OR WORK . THEY COLLECT MONEY AND START FIGHTING EACH OTHER. THAT IS WHAT I CALL ... BAD EXTERNAL FORCES AND INFLUENCE.
WHO BROUGHT BOUNDARIES??? DID HE DO MORE GOOD THAN HARM?
SHOULD THERE BE A SITUATION THAT SAYS THEY ALL WANT TO BUILD AT THE SAME PLACE, ITS VERY SIMPLE DIVIDE THE VERY SPOT INTO TWO HALF FOR EACH OR TOP AND DOWN AFTER ALL NO ONE SLEEP INSIDE TILL MORNING, ONLY WORSHIP.
ALL THIS WILL STOP IF EXTERNAL INFLUENCE FOR DESTRUCTIONS ARE HALTED ON EACH SIDE
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 1, 2008 - 03:29 AM
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You are right dear Smith,
But the question is: when is this going to end and people live with free minded? its more like now they are scared of dying and living at the same time, they need somebody to help them free their minds every day they cry for peace. Hope and pray this will end soon.
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 3, 2008 - 09:21 AM
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I have dear hopes that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be resolved, but there's so much disagreement and violence that's hard to see.
For myself, I see the solution as being in the formation of two states, with Jerusalem kept as Israel's capital.
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 4, 2008 - 12:16 PM
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dear abigail
I'm not pessimist but this war already happened for more than hundred years.
there are a lot of interest in this war
as we know---religion, political, economical, oil resources, powerfull..etc
all above make this war just complicated
I hope it will end up soon
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 4, 2008 - 08:51 PM
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The State of Isreal was created 60 years ago what we call as the Nakba so how can you state this has been going on for a hundred years.
Secondly as far as am aware there is no Oil in Palestine or the proxy state of Isreal so thats another mistake you have made.
Thirdly TEL AVIV has always been Isreals capital but just because they want to go on a power trip they are claiming Jerusalem as thier Capital, there will never be a Jerusalem capital for Israel .
Isreal is occupying palestinian land and not the other way around, Isreal was created fair enough but look at the map and its borders when it was created 60 years ago and look at them today when in gods name did they get that extra bit of land but for iligal land grabbing please ask the UN there is no less than 25 resolutions outstanding asking Isreal to withdraw from palestinian lands why are they not adhering to the UN? ? ? ?
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 6, 2008 - 02:37 AM
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Well put,
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 6, 2008 - 06:14 AM
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LIB-ATHLETE wrote:
The State of Isreal was created 60 years ago what we call as the Nakba so how can you state this has been going on for a hundred years.
Secondly as far as am aware there is no Oil in Palestine or the proxy state of Isreal so thats another mistake you have made.
Thirdly TEL AVIV has always been Isreals capital but just because they want to go on a power trip they are claiming Jerusalem as thier Capital, there will never be a Jerusalem capital for Israel .
Isreal is occupying palestinian land and not the other way around, Isreal was created fair enough but look at the map and its borders when it was created 60 years ago and look at them today when in gods name did they get that extra bit of land but for iligal land grabbing please ask the UN there is no less than 25 resolutions outstanding asking Isreal to withdraw from palestinian lands why are they not adhering to the UN? ? ? ?
OK LET us start this resolution to peace if it will be agreed by you thten the rest of the world may understand.
LET US AGREE THAT THE LAND ISRAEL IS OCCUPYING WILL BE SOLD TO THEM TO BRING PEACE. THE PORTION THEY HAVE NOW. THAT IS ALL
DO YOU AGREE?
FOR THE ISSUES TO OF WAR TO STOP ..
IF WE AGREE LETS VOTE ON IT THEN SUGUEST SO THEY PAY FOR IT AS YOU BY LAND FROM SOMEONE.
GIVE ME REPLY..
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Re: Israeli-Palestinian Peace - Going noplace?
October 6, 2008 - 06:17 AM
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SMITH
Again I tell you our LAND is not for SALE........ Give us our LAND back with no conditions as its ours and they stole it lets vote on that......
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October 6, 2008 - 06:29 AM
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LIB-ATHLETE wrote:
SMITH
Again I tell you our LAND is not for SALE........ Give us our LAND back with no conditions as its ours and they stole it lets vote on that......
FIRST, Where do you want them to stay if they give you the land back?
second. the state of Israel was created by NABKA?? explain. if there was an agreement then for a state to be established then there is a state...
3rd, Give me a reasonable step of your view to stop the war there
iam waiting
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October 6, 2008 - 06:36 AM
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A nakba is what us Arabs call the creation of Israel there was no agreement with the Arabs about placing the state of israel where it is now.
As for steps simply give back the land that was taken illigally nothing more nothing less, recognise the international laws governing soveriegnty and human rights.
The rights of all Palestinian refugees to return to thier homes whit no precondition and to recognise Jerusalem as the rightful and historical capital of the State of Palestine.
Israelly withdrawal from Syrian occupied land, and Lebanese Occupied land and to respect the soveriegnty of those nations also.
A guarantee to the end of hostilities from the Israelly side and recognise the democratically elected goverment of Hamas in Palestine and the democratically elected Lebanese goverment.
The end of all Hostile actions against the state of Palestine and Lebanon.
I think the above are very reasonable requests dont you think smith or are you against the above if so what is your solution?
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October 6, 2008 - 06:46 AM
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LIB-ATHLETE wrote:
A nakba is what us Arabs call the creation of Israel there was no agreement with the Arabs about placing the state of israel where it is now.
As for steps simply give back the land that was taken illigally nothing more nothing less, recognise the international laws governing soveriegnty and human rights.
The rights of all Palestinian refugees to return to thier homes whit no precondition and to recognise Jerusalem as the rightful and historical capital of the State of Palestine.
Israelly withdrawal from Syrian occupied land, and Lebanese Occupied land and to respect the soveriegnty of those nations also.
A guarantee to the end of hostilities from the Israelly side and recognise the democratically elected goverment of Hamas in Palestine and the democratically elected Lebanese goverment.
The end of all Hostile actions against the state of Palestine and Lebanon.
I think the above are very reasonable requests dont you think smith or are you against the above if so what is your solution?
We can tell you the solution only if you are to co-operate with us. We all know that you are going into tough time, but somehow its good to get advise from your fellows.
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October 6, 2008 - 06:47 AM
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Sorry when my fellows have thier friends killed and house bombed and land stolen then might they relate with me and my people......
as for the solution I have outlined it previously we the dignified Arabs will accept no less....
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October 6, 2008 - 07:04 AM
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LIB-ATHLETE wrote:
A nakba is what us Arabs call the creation of Israel there was no agreement with the Arabs about placing the state of israel where it is now.
As for steps simply give back the land that was taken illigally nothing more nothing less, recognise the international laws governing soveriegnty and human rights.
The rights of all Palestinian refugees to return to thier homes whit no precondition and to recognise Jerusalem as the rightful and historical capital of the State of Palestine.
Israelly withdrawal from Syrian occupied land, and Lebanese Occupied land and to respect the soveriegnty of those nations also.
A guarantee to the end of hostilities from the Israelly side and recognise the democratically elected goverment of Hamas in Palestine and the democratically elected Lebanese goverment.
The end of all Hostile actions against the state of Palestine and Lebanon.
I think the above are very reasonable requests dont you think smith or are you against the above if so what is your solution?
ok!! so to my understanding there was an agreement to establish an israel state but no position? am i right?
where was israel occupying before the holocaust?
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October 6, 2008 - 07:10 AM
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There was no agreement from the Arab side, do you not remember the bombing of the Hotel in Palestine against the British to force them to uproot millions of Palestinians to create the state of Isreal if am not mistaken that was the first suicide attack in that part of the world and it was not by a palestinian but a Ultra orthodox zionist jew.
There has never been a state of Israel nor pre or post this so called hauloucost since a lot of scientists and Historians say it never happned so the jourey is still out on it.
Besides dont forget that 80% of the population in Israel are immigrants who are from Africa and Poland and some from the USA they get inticed to come over to take up illigally accuired Palestinian land what do you say about that.
If you care soo much about them then give them a shunk of the USA since there are millions of them over there so why not give them land in the USA that way you can protect them from us Evil arabs that want our land and peace back is that too much to ask that way no one can attack poor old Israel with its 200 nukes and 1000 F15 and so on and so on......
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