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EQUALITY??????????
July 30, 2008 - 10:27 AM
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Hi Everyone :
The issue of equality has been an issue for quite a long period of time and it still is, even though i myself believed that everyone needs to be treated the same ............
i wasnt actually a passionate person about it, there were other things i felt strong about. i live here in the UK. I am friends with yugoslavians, pakistanis, indians, spanish, nepalis, english and many other people of different background ethnicities (but we all considered ourselves british because we grew up here since babies). To me the society i live in is equall, there is a sense of racism but not so obivious as i was to learn.
However a couple of weeks ago my family had decided to go to norway. I had just finished my GCSE exams and i just wanted a nice summer.
Never did it occur to me that people there would be bothered about the way i look and how i dress was to become the center of peoples attention (im a muslim teenager and i observe the hijab and have done so for the last 5 yrs,)
In the airport when we were cheking in our flight (nearly all if not all the passengers except me were norwegians) all heads had turned around, me being curious turned around to look at what the were looking at (HEHE), only then did i realise that my mother and i were the center of attention..........i didnt even realise that my white hijab i was wearing was the talk of all the passengers on board...........
I understand that some people have an issue with the hijab, but what i dnt understand is where is the respect people have for one another has gone, the so callled equality some of us claim to believe. Will you single out some people and say that they deserve to be treated inferior just because they wear a headscarf , or because the 9/11 bombers were called Ahmad or osama, so they must be dangerous, or because they believe in one god, or is it because they are black, asian, arab?
And what is more peculiar and funny is that we all claim to be EDUCATED.
i wonder if any of you have had such experiences and if so i would really appreciate it if you'd share it with me and everybody else.
Bye
Ayan
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
November 13, 2008 - 04:09 PM
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i am a muslim myself, but i do not wear a headscarf and i did not have such problems as you experienced. since i live in bosnia i do not have the right, or opportunity to travell. i do not know why someone does not want me to visit london, paris, berlin... i feel like i am in jail but i understand how you felt in that moment, during the war i lived in switzerland and experienced all kind of unequal treatment, i was only a child but i still knew that i was different and that anyone treated me like that.. i was a child. muslim and a refugee...sad but true, fortunately things have changed, i am home again bit cannot leave it anymore  feels like the world is not much into us 
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
December 12, 2008 - 09:53 AM
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First of all i wiil ask you to excuse me for my English.
The topic you broght up is very intersded, most of all for those kind of people how claim to be educated. To be educated and to be not polited is very dread think. I used to live my self in Londer and from inside the english people at list they are polite but inside they still have very much hate. SO i I want to say is those Europian contrys how are making a lot of HUMAN RIGHTS forums , they the same contrys that still have the hate for every one how is different. I m a muslim my self i don't show up my self like one buy if some one will ask me for my religion i will happily say that i m a MUSLIM.
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
December 20, 2008 - 07:27 AM
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dardan wrote:
First of all i wiil ask you to excuse me for my English.*
The topic you broght up is very intersded, most of all for those kind of people how claim to be educated. To be educated and to be not polited is very dread think. I used to live my self in Londer and from inside the english people at list they are polite but inside they still have very much hate. SO i I want to say is those Europian contrys how are making a lot of HUMAN RIGHTS forums , they the same contrys that still have the hate for every one how is different. I m a muslim my self i don't show up my self like one buy if some one will ask me for my religion i will happily say that i m a MUSLIM.
Dear Dardan and others who posted,
I can't speak for the other Europeans you feel "hate" you. I can only speak for myself, an American living in Japan. When I see a woman in a hijab, I think I feel anger because I know Muslim women are very much discriminated against in Muslim countries. These women and their families have come to Europe and America to escape the economic misery and violence that exists in their own Muslim countries. A woman who wears a hijab (I know some only do because their families demand it, not because they want to) is telling me, "I am proud of being a second-class citizen and not having the same rights as a Muslim man and I don't care for your equality between men and women here in your country."
On a second level, I feel fear especially when I get on an airplane and I see obviously Muslim people boarding too. On a rational level I should know that real terrorists would not make themsleves so obvious and would try to blend in. But on an emotional level, when I see a Muslim boarding an airplane, I think, "Does he/she have a bomb or a knife or will this airplane fly into a tall building too?"
I will continue to be polite, but I will also continue to be angry and fearful. Isn't that what Osama Bin Laden wanted? He has succeeded.
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
December 21, 2008 - 02:50 PM
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Dear Dardan and others who posted,
I can't speak for the other Europeans you feel "hate" you. I can only speak for myself, an American living in Japan. When I see a woman in a hijab, I think I feel anger because I know Muslim women are very much discriminated against in Muslim countries. These women and their families have come to Europe and America to escape the economic misery and violence that exists in their own Muslim countries.
Prieten, I don't think so. While your statement may be true for some of the Muslim countries, like Somalia as an example, it is not pointing out to another dimension of the issue. I have Iraqi friends in the UK, they just escaped from their country, not because their women are discriminated against, but because of insecurity caused by the foreign occupation. This massive exodus of more than 4 million Iraqis to Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Europe began after 2003, not before.
I am Egyptian and I live in London with my wife who wears the headscarf, not because she is "discriminated against" in Egypt. It's because I had a good job offer, and a potential good career.
The British people are very cultivated, civilised, and tolerant. However, a tiny minority is not that tolerant. For several times, when my wife is alone, doing some shopping or taking the underground; young and middle-aged people suddenly shout in her face: F*** Islam!, in a very frightening way. Each time she tells me about these incidents, I feel how much terror she felt, and how much unjust to not only judge people by their appearance, but to frighten them. This does not happen when I’m with her; she is insecure without company. In my country, when my wife walks in the street, she is not discriminated against.
Meanwhile, most of my colleagues at work, whether Americans, British, and even Greek, they dream about working in Qatar or Dubai, to escape the credit crunch, and make good money, and good working experience.
Moving from place to another is pretty much due to economical reasons, and not due to "discrimination". Saudi women would have been themselves the largest number of immigrants, if that was to be true, and Muslim girls in Europe, wearing headscarves, would have returned back to their countries.
This post was edited on: 2009-01-17 at 07:49 PM by: aymanelhakea
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
December 21, 2008 - 02:52 PM
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A woman who wears a hijab (I know some only do because their families demand it, not because they want to) is telling me, "I am proud of being a second-class citizen and not having the same rights as a Muslim man and I don't care for your equality between men and women here in your country."
I really doubt that this "some" falls among educated circles. If families impose the headscarves on girls, my grandmother wouldn't have worn it at the age of 40, my mother wouldn't have worn it at the age of 28, my mother-in-law wouldn't have worn it at the age of 38, my wife wouldn't have worn it at the age of 21, and my sister wouldn't have her hair uncovered until today.
It's a matter of total free-will. It is true that women in Iran protest for uncovering their heads; but women in Turkey protest for covering their heads in government institutions. No educated person can ever be happy to be a second-class citizen.
On a second level, I feel fear especially when I get on an airplane and I see obviously Muslim people boarding too. On a rational level I should know that real terrorists would not make themsleves so obvious and would try to blend in. But on an emotional level, when I see a Muslim boarding an airplane, I think, "Does he/she have a bomb or a knife or will this airplane fly into a tall building too?"
Prieten, I doubt that you have ever been to a Muslim country. Phobia means “fear” in ancient Greek, not hatred. You are a very well educated person; however, you still have that emotional phobia towards Muslims. This indicates pretty much a widespread feeling among educated Americans and Europeans, sadly. I hope that one day will come where people would not be afraid of me and my wife when we board on a plane.
I will continue to be polite, but I will also continue to be angry and fearful. Isn't that what Osama Bin Laden wanted? He has succeeded.
He might have succeeded in portraying every Muslim as Osama Bin Laden, but the truth of this image shouldn’t be absent when examined by educated eyes, who should not fall into the trap of prejudices.
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
January 14, 2009 - 01:22 AM
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May i ask a question this ma seem a bit silly however i am curious....
čarobnjak you posted
I am Egyptian and I live in London with my wife who wears the headscarf, not because she is "discriminated against" in Egypt. It's because I had a good job offer, and a potential good career.
Why is this?
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
January 14, 2009 - 08:13 AM
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Andy, why what excatly? Could you specify your question a little bit more?
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
January 14, 2009 - 09:08 AM
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Apologies čarobnjak i misread what you had wrote.
You moved to london for job prospects.... sorry for my misunderstanding
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Maybe difference in religious understanding and looks
February 18, 2009 - 02:14 PM
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Well, am not a muslim, but i could understand how u must have felt with all eyes on u at the airplane. Well, Religious traditions vary from place to place with different people with different religious view.
So, i'd say, its not a matter of equality, it's just understanding other peoples religion. Maybe they don't understand why u wore a hijab and that was why the look was on u, or perhaps their own mode of dressing doesn't tally with what you were wearing.
So, it was just a matter of difference in religious beliefs and looks.
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Re: EQUALITY??????????
February 19, 2009 - 01:17 AM
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People tend to stare when they see something that is new to them. perhaps not many Muslims travel to where you did and these people had never seen women in hijab. did you try waving to them? it is funny to see the look on people's faces when they realize they have been caught staring. As for the brainless masses that discriminate against muslims, they make me shudder. people are so stupid to judge harshly before they even know a person. It often makes me ashamed to be an American, but I know that there are many good people here and it is a good nation for many other reasons. I hope that one day all people can live together with respect.
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