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Shamma Manzoor Raghib
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Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
July 26, 2008 - 07:12 AM
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This question is something that is bothering my conscience for a long time.
I often see my mother checking out the religion channel, some higher order scholar lecturing on our religion, telling what to do to avoid hell and what to do to go to heaven. Their approach makes me so scared to even think about anything.
For example. . . the last time I heard that if you do a particular task, you will go to hell. I wont be precise on the task, my point here is, why dont the religious scholars promote morality and education, good deeds and words of encouragement, rather than words of fear, that makes us shy away from teh right and look forward to the wrong. Why dont the religious scholars use positive assertion rather than negatives words which can mutiliate our brains?
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
July 27, 2008 - 02:02 PM
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Im not a believer myself so I can only speculate, but hey nothing wrong with a bit of speculation 
Payoff-From what I can tell, sin leads to hell which is bad and you don't want that(though the exact details here are a bit messy). Doing good deeds is something nice that god wants you to do, but you don't need to do anything seen as positive beyond the whole accepting jesus thing(though some might disagree). Many look at this and view not doing "bad" things to avoid hell as a far more effective way of controlling those who believe.
Moral conflict-Positive moral actions that are also secular, killing is bad, lying is bad, etc tend to be less immediate of concern for many people preaching, these ideas are supported everywhere in society so there isnt so much of a need to promote them. Hell styled threats usually pop up when there is a conflict between ideas from religion and the rest of the world, preachers can safely assume people thing duhh when they hear don't kill but those same people being preached too might see premarital sex as ok. The preacher needs to make it clear that this is bad to them and likely does believe that the fear instilled in them might keep them holy.
Not sure how accurate I have been so far but to go even more biased I would also say that the christian religion seems to focus mostly on fear tactics as a motivating force in others. Its also in todays world more of a voice telling people don't do bad stuff instead of promoting good through the world. This isnt totally in line with the whole jesus ideas but hey christians pick and choose like hell there, I dont blame them considering how bad jesus often is at giving advice
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
July 31, 2008 - 11:21 PM
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Shamma wrote:
Why dont the religious scholars use positive assertion rather than negatives words which can mutiliate our brains?
To answer your question, I was watching a documentary on atheism and one of the points were very srong (in support of atheism). There was a point made that religious scholars and religious people in general like to use fear as a way to pass down their religion to younger children. Everyone knows that children are very naiive and are easy to feed ideas into. If scholars and parents use fear (such as images of hell and the devil) as a way to teach their children what will happen if they commit a sin... after all it's worse knowing you can be punished if you do something wrong.
However, personally I have strong faith in my religion. It's not so much because of the fact that I am scared of my religion; it's more so because of the fact that I find my religion beautiful and I see the goodness. In full honesty I don't even follow a lot of the rituals of it, however my religion teaches me that God is merciful and that's what attracts me to it.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
August 2, 2008 - 04:42 AM
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Let me try on my best to answer this question, the reason why we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it. I will give you simple examples, that you could understand your question in here. The world is like a testing or an examination hall, that people going to find a permanent job and a sustainable life, the probability of this examination is only two options win or loss. Therefore telling Heaven and Hell is very important, since we’re in this examination hall after you finish your examination paper, you ensure that will be out and raise your expectation whether to be winner or loser. Do you know where you’ll die? Do you know when you will day? Do you know how you will day? No one knows that. Next question will be, why do we die? And why do we kill us? This is another answers for your question.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
August 4, 2008 - 02:56 AM
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In Islamic religious, people don’t believe Imans and Mullas but only respect. People believe the only Allaah, the powerful and the owner of the entire world and sky; Allah has already planned everybody’s destiny under his timed plan. The role of Imans and Mullah are to lead people to the right path by connecting and teaching to Allah.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
September 24, 2008 - 12:23 AM
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we simply igrone it because we people are used to this world and do not wanted to see our death.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
September 24, 2008 - 03:37 AM
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Why do the people ignore the death? Why do people ask themselves what is beyond the death horizon? Does anybody know exactly where and when he/she will die?
The person who always asks him/her self these questions is an intelligent person. He/she is educated person.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
October 4, 2008 - 06:02 AM
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WHY people didnt tell by POSITIVE words???
simple man....
POSITIVE words doesnt effect well
people who hear positif world just hear and forget
but by FEARING words....they thinking it all the time (at least...make them remember)
Yah...this is just the way to share someting)
in my religion, after they told about HEAL...they also talk about HEAVEN. its BALANCE.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
October 15, 2008 - 08:18 AM
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Well, maybe because we can clearly recognise positive actions and negative actions and avoid or do them accordingly. Speaking of heaven and hell brings in a goal which is something individuals need to aspire to. Sometimes to tell people what they need to do exactly and specifically makes it difficult for them, they believe they don't have the time for it, or it's too much of an effort. But when you have a general goal to aspire to, then you think freely in terms of your daily aspirations and build up your goals as they come along. You learn to live your life in accordance with your desire to go to heaven or to hell.
It is interesting but it says in the Quran that people forfeit their desire to go to heaven, just for the fear of the effort they need to make to go to Heaven even though the thought of heaven is the clearer and kinder path in and to the Hereafter, so it is surprising to think of how we think of Heaven and Hell, and think that we think more of our punishment and incentive than how to personally think of how we'll desire to achieve it for ourselves.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
October 15, 2008 - 08:22 AM
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I like Jesus. He was kind and peaceful in a real kind of way. He did his best for humanity.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
October 18, 2008 - 05:05 PM
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Whenever I was in a church, religious class, or a bible study group, we would discuss the deeds that lead to heaven and hell. We would talk about the different paths that you choices take you down during life and whether they are ones that are leading you closer to God or further away from Him. Some places do use fear to get the point through to people, but not all places do this. Heaven and hell is not something you can treat lightly.
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Re: Why do we speak of Heaven and Hell and not of the deeds that lead to it?
October 20, 2008 - 10:35 PM
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I think the main problem is that people focus too much on religion and not enough on human instinct. They worry about a so-called afterlife when they should be concerned with REAL life. Many also believe that marrying outside of the religion is somewhat scorned upon when it is really just a type of discrimination against someone elses beliefs. Religious scholars are so focused on scaring people into not doing the wrong things and aren't focused enough on giving people reassurance when they do the right thing. I believe it is not healthy for a human being to always thing about the negative aspects of a particular act, which can sometimes pull a person away from even attempting to do the right thing.
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