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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
October 23, 2008 - 05:22 AM
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Infact, I dont trust some African leaders, why??
Because when they are hungry they think different and speak the truth . but when they are full and have everything at command, they forget their old situation of which they meant to help the weak and less developed.
they only think of themselves. when judgment day is coming(elections). then they will pump money for corrupt things yet before judgment day, ask what were they doing...?
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
October 23, 2008 - 05:40 AM
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smithswork wrote:
Infact, I dont trust some African leaders, why??
Because when they are hungry they think different and speak the truth . but when they are full and have everything at command, they forget their old situation of which they meant to help the weak and less developed.
they only think of themselves. when judgment day is coming(elections). then they will pump money for corrupt things yet before judgment day, ask what were they doing...?
LOL. . . .
seems you got my point. Some of us, don't trust our leaders any more. Because, once they get up there, they forget us, they neglect all those promises they made, they only run after their own belly, satisfying their self need and family budgets.
In Africa, we experience a different form of Democracy,. . . .I'm really short of names. . . .maybe AfriCracy.
It's really saddening, when we cannot even trust our representatives/Leaders. Africa need a change.
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
October 23, 2008 - 09:22 AM
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Canada should organize Agriculture land from the people to setup up food production centers there and grow some crops for them to be able to harvest there. it should be secured to prevent stealing.
They should still continue the aid to support hunger.
http://www.takingitglobal.org/images/connections/db/emotes/angry.gif
they should help local farmers who have existing land with seedlings for productions.
http://www.takingitglobal.org/images/connections/db/emotes/tongue.gif
by so doing, the output of food production will increase in the next six months to one year then the prices of food and other things will reduce.
This is because the demand for food consumption will be gradually meet by an increase in food supply which will bring the price down because of population growth rate will reduce as a result of existing hunger logically
To speed up food production Canada can distribute seedlings which grows faster as food and it should be according to their soil sample.
this is a long run effect and it can be the only solution to help put things back on track
this will help work trust me.
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Innocent Mawire
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
December 15, 2008 - 04:36 AM
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This is a topical issue especially in the wake of the calls by the countries of the global north that there is need for military intervention in order to topple Mugabe from power. In as much as I agree that Zimbabweans are suffering at the behest of the Mugabe administration whose bankrupt political policies have held hostage many Zimbabweans, it is not in the interest of Zimbabweans for the international community to take the lead yet the Zimbabweans are silent. Zimbabweans should own up and rise against Mugabe and then after should the international community and countries such as Canada come in to aid and support the Zimbabwean initiative.
It is interesting to note that many of the conflicts we have in Africa in general are to some extent a creation of the Western countries especially due to the lingering structural deformities bequethed by colonialism. And these are the same problems that are still haunting Africa to date. Its rather better for Zimbabweans to have home grown solutions that will be supported by the international community rather than for the rest of the world to take it upon itself to "liberate" Zimbabweans as it were.
As such the international community including Canada has a role to play by giving the necessary support to Zimbabweans to effect regime change and in that way it will help to find a lasting solution to the problems bedeviling the country
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
December 18, 2008 - 06:30 AM
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innomawire wrote:
This is a topical issue especially in the wake of the calls by the countries of the global north that there is need for military intervention in order to topple Mugabe from power. In as much as I agree that Zimbabweans are suffering at the behest of the Mugabe administration whose bankrupt political policies have held hostage many Zimbabweans, it is not in the interest of Zimbabweans for the international community to take the lead yet the Zimbabweans are silent. Zimbabweans should own up and rise against Mugabe and then after should the international community and countries such as Canada come in to aid and support the Zimbabwean initiative.
It is interesting to note that many of the conflicts we have in Africa in general are to some extent a creation of the Western countries especially due to the lingering structural deformities bequethed by colonialism. And these are the same problems that are still haunting Africa to date. Its rather better for Zimbabweans to have home grown solutions that will be supported by the international community rather than for the rest of the world to take it upon itself to "liberate" Zimbabweans as it were.
As such the international community including Canada has a role to play by giving the necessary support to Zimbabweans to effect regime change and in that way it will help to find a lasting solution to the problems bedeviling the country
i agree Zimbabwean issues can be solved by zimbabweans and by dialogue.
the west are nt interest in zimbabweans they want to instill a puppet regime and loot our resources.so the issue is not about mugabe as such but power and control.
this the neocolonialism efforts of the west.
Odinga called for peacekeepers to keep cholera in check!when his bandits were busy killing innomcent kenyans why were peacekeepers not sent to kenya?As for odinga bush and their cronies they should just leave us to sort ourselves ouot.and not impose leadership on us.who do they think they are?
is tsvangison or god or something?wats so speacial about him anyway?
Canada and the rest of the west should just butt out and leave us alone
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Benos 3rd
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 13, 2009 - 10:52 AM
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Mr. Davyk my brother i think the whole idea of this forum is to help each other with constructive ideas, saying canada should butt out first of all is not the correct language, second that is not the way to respond if you and some other individuals are enjoying from the sweat of the people of Zimbabwe, Davyk without doubt you are benefiting something somehow from the suffering of Zimbabweans.
There are alot of Zimbabweans diying of curable diseases and hunger because of having wrong people in the right positions.
We as nieghbours are automatically affected and the world at large, so let not shallow minded zimbabweans like Davyk close our doors to speak when something is wrong in Zimbabwe. Being a Zambian i travel to Zimbabwe frequently,i know the situation first hand,there are very few people enjoying life in Zimbabwe.
If Zimbabwe should provide solutions to its problems like you said, then i should be thinking Zimbabweans have failed, for a country like Zimbabwe to have such inflation rates. Scores of Zimbabweans in neighbouring countries seeking refuge selling sweets on streets of Lusaka, i don't think they do it just for the love of exploring other countries sleeping in the drainadges, babies dying of pneumonia sleeping in the ice cold rains.If canada has better plans for Zimbabwe let her come in because without fear Zimbabweans have failed to take care of their own economy. one day Zimbabwe will just wake up and find there is no economy.
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Stephen Ojeremen
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 13, 2009 - 03:26 PM
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Hunger has helped in exposing our leaders for what they are because they will deny the existence of hunger, poverty,diseases and in the case of Mugabe cholera.
Folks, the issue of poverty and hunger is an old and tested issue whose cause lies solely on the shoulders of our elite rulers. Some of them are not qualified to manage a farm nor a garden...So, my friend Davyk, I totally disagree with you on your butting out Campaign,because you didn't get it.
While Ojeremen is busy thinking on the best possible way to flush-out' our greedy African rulers.
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 16, 2009 - 04:02 AM
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smithswork wrote:
Canada should organize Agriculture land from the people to setup up food production centers there and grow some crops for them to be able to harvest there. it should be secured to prevent stealing.
They should still continue the aid to support hunger.
http://www.takingitglobal.org/images/connections/db/emotes/angry.gif
they should help local farmers who have existing land with seedlings for productions.
http://www.takingitglobal.org/images/connections/db/emotes/tongue.gif
by so doing, the output of food production will increase in the next six months to one year then the prices of food and other things will reduce.
This is because the demand for food consumption will be gradually meet by an increase in food supply which will bring the price down because of population growth rate will reduce as a result of existing hunger logically
To speed up food production Canada can distribute seedlings which grows faster as food and it should be according to their soil sample.
this is a long run effect and it can be the only solution to help put things back on track
this will help work trust me.
Now this is what i call "construction not distruction". Zimbabwe needs Food, Good health and education like yesterday, not a bunch of critics owning Zimbabwean names that are not even feeling the pain coz they go shopping every weekend to J'burg missusing tax payers money, pretending to be speaking on behalf of the pipo when they are just fattening their pockets.
If for sure canada can be willing to provide solutions to improve the food security, health and education in Zim then thats what we want. Zimbabwe has very excellent soil for farming, good farming space and enough, all she is lacking are ideas because everybody holding a position still thinks politics is a game, well they have to know that they are on the wrong side of history.
Politics in this generation is a seriuos business.
We need to see ideas that will favor a local jobless Zim woman, child and man living on less than a dollar a day.
zimbabwe has to believe that one finger does not squash a lause, we don't want the west or any country to impose anything on zim but just work together, create some unity its the only solution to kill this cruelity, this is time to work not for politics, the west too has to come to the aid of Zimbabwe with a heart to help not manipulate..
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Stephen Ojeremen
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 16, 2009 - 06:13 AM
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Hi Elia, could you brief us a little bit what you mean by the west too has to come to the aid of Zimbabwe with a heart to help not manipulate..
Just curious about the statement!
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 16, 2009 - 06:18 AM
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First and foremost I would like to thank everyone who is contributing to this discussion albeit in a constructive and positive manner. I am happy that interesting salient points have been raised with regards how Canada including the rest of the International Community should do to alleviate the plight of the poor in Zimbabwe and generally to make Zimbabwe a normal humane habitat. This goes to indicate the much venerated spirit of ubuntu(I am because you are because we are). This spirit of oneness is the much needed concept not only in Zimbabwe but in the rest of the world and I appreciate very much the efforts of many countries that have come to the aid of Zimbabwe especially at the height of the devastating chorela pandemic.
Now that the two major political parties have signed the Global Political Agreement to share power in the inclusive government, the international community should come in and and make sure that both signatories should abide by the spirit of this agreement for the sake of the ordinary Zimbabweans who have had to bear the brand of the political and socio-economic quagmire that has bedevilled the country for almost a decade.
It is unfortunate however that some of the leadership in the new inclusive government is still unrepentent to the whole idea of power-sharing which might be a devastating setback if the whole process if not handled properly. It is in this regard that outsiders should always pour thier expertise in bringing both parties together for the sake of progress-ie peace and conflict resolution experts are much needed at this juncture.
International aid is much needed to kick start the whole process of recovery without which the whole power-sharing arrangement will remain as a romantic figment of exuberant imaginations to the minds of the ordinary people who are still awaiting thier fruits of Uhuru-nation building, democracy and rule of law. I am sure that the international community will be in a position to support the whole system and make life for ordinary Zimbabweans a bit normal and humane. Lets keep on guys discussing this topic and find new ways of tranforming the world to be a better place to live and let not us only focus on Zimbabwe as there are so many hot spot areas in all four corners of the world who very much need the same help as Zimbabweans.
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Stephen Ojeremen
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 16, 2009 - 02:23 PM
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Innocent, thanks for your Articulate comment! Well,I’m still little bit wondering why the write up above was tagged (what should Canada do in Zimbabwe). Can someone enlighten us please? Probably the author!
Ojeremen,(weeping for Africa continent!)
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 17, 2009 - 05:28 AM
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ojeremen wrote:
Hi Elia, could you brief us a little bit what you mean by the west too has to come to the aid of Zimbabwe with a heart to help not manipulate..
Just curious about the statement!
Looks like what i meant has been illustrated properly by someone else.
This is what the other writter from the source in Zimbabwe had to say
"The international community should come in and make sure that both signatories (of the power sharing deal ZANUPF and MDC)should abide by the spirit of this agreement for the sake of the ordinary Zimbabweans who have had to bear the brand of the political and socio-economic quagmire that has bedevilled the country for almost a decade".
Zimbabwe does not need the west to tell them who should be there president, otherwise all she needs is an international community that will help her bring the inflation rates from 300% to 1%, that is aid am talking about.
I hope this answers your question....
Thanks
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
March 17, 2009 - 07:01 AM
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Thanks for sharing!
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
May 30, 2009 - 02:12 PM
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Well yes of course, Canada should intervene, but not in the same way they intervened in Afghanistan. They used military ways to try to help bring democracy which quite frankly doesnt sound like democracy can be achieved this way. Rather we should have discussions with the government of Zimbabwe and they should educate the people about their rights. We should try peaceful ways not military ways to help Zimbabwe to try to achieve democracy. War and inequality have gone on for to long, its time we tried helping each other and using our intelligence to solve conflicts rather then reverting to our primitive ways and using violence to solve conflicts.
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Re: [Poll] DEMOCRACY - What should Canada do in Zimbabwe?
May 30, 2009 - 04:23 PM
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I never liked the subject of this thread.What should Canada do in Zimbabwe.
Fellow Africans,Canada is not and would never be the problem of Zimbabwe or any other country in Africa. Africans should solve their problems rather than pointing fingers.
The likes of Mugabe, Abacha,Ngueso,Bokasa,and a host of pseudo nationalist self imposed leaders that have had cause to govern a part,section, scion of our continent, have sent our people back to the cave era living style.
Mugabe and his likes in Africa, under the guise of nationalistic ego waffling took a prosperous nation to the brinks of abyss that its citizens have been reduced to eating from the dustbins scavenged by vultures,rats and rodents. At 85 years old, what in this world is Mugabe's business ruling a nation and what is he going to do that 28 years in office without opposition.
Mugabe in recent times sleeps during the annual festival called African Union sessions and because of the culture of sit tightness of African leaders, they are all in the mode of '' the more you look the less you see'' or see no evil hear no evil '' hence, Mugabe and his ilk are tolerated by other leaders.
My friends, Mugabe is a disgrace to our collective pride and aspiration.(Cry my beloved Africans).
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